for all the softheads on hc, page-9

Costic,
I take it back... your IQ has dropped by much more than 50 points...

What happened, you get a hit in the head?

Here are the two articles.
Yours focusses on the accusation, the one I posts is much clearer in the denial.


They are obviously different articles about the same topic,, but just with different focus...

Are you a complete moron?



Subject for all the softheads on hc
Posted 17/07/04 11:53 - 21 reads
Posted by Costic
Post #116620 - start of thread - splitview

What a change the americans have achieved by getting rid of Saddam. Just great.



SMH.COM.AU

Iyad Allawi, the new Prime Minister of Iraq, pulled a pistol and executed as many as six suspected insurgents at a Baghdad police station, just days before Washington handed control of the country to his interim government, according to two people who allege they witnessed the killings.

They say the prisoners - handcuffed and blindfolded - were lined up against a wall in a courtyard adjacent to the maximum-security cell block in which they were held at the Al-Amariyah security centre, in the city's south-western suburbs.

They say Dr Allawi told onlookers the victims had each killed as many as 50 Iraqis and they "deserved worse than death".

The Prime Minister's office has denied the entirety of the witness accounts in a written statement to the Herald, saying Dr Allawi had never visited the centre and he did not carry a gun.

But the informants told the Herald that Dr Allawi shot each young man in the head as about a dozen Iraqi policemen and four Americans from the Prime Minister's personal security team watched in stunned silence.

Iraq's Interior Minister, Falah al-Naqib, is said to have looked on and congratulated him when the job was done. Mr al-Naqib's office has issued a verbal denial.

The names of three of the alleged victims have been obtained by the Herald.

One of the witnesses claimed that before killing the prisoners Dr Allawi had told those around him that he wanted to send a clear message to the police on how to deal with insurgents.

"The prisoners were against the wall and we were standing in the courtyard when the Interior Minister said that he would like to kill them all on the spot. Allawi said that they deserved worse than death - but then he pulled the pistol from his belt and started shooting them."

Re-enacting the killings, one witness stood three to four metres in front of a wall and swung his outstretched arm in an even arc, left to right, jerking his wrist to mimic the recoil as each bullet was fired. Then he raised a hand to his brow, saying: "He was very close. Each was shot in the head."

The prisoners were against the wall and we were standing in the courtyard when the Interior Minister said that he would like to kill them all on the spot. Allawi said that they deserved worse than death - but then he pulled the pistol from his belt and started shooting them.The witnesses said seven prisoners had been brought out to the courtyard, but the last man in the line was only wounded - in the neck, said one witness; in the chest, said the other.

Given Dr Allawi's role as the leader of the US experiment in planting a model democracy in the Middle East, allegations of a return to the cold-blooded tactics of his predecessor are likely to stir a simmering debate on how well Washington knows its man in Baghdad, and precisely what he envisages for the new Iraq.

There is much debate and rumour in Baghdad about the Prime Minister's capacity for brutality, but this is the first time eyewitness accounts have been obtained.

A former CIA officer, Vincent Cannisatraro, recently told The New Yorker: "If you're asking me if Allawi has blood on his hands from his days in London, the answer is yes, he does. He was a paid Mukhabarat [intelligence] agent for the Iraqis, and he was involved in dirty stuff."



Subject re: for all the softheads on hc
Posted 17/07/04 12:15 - 12 reads
Posted by Thurlow
Post #116626 - in reply to msg. 116620 - splitview

Costic,

Ok dopey.... here is the denial...

Would seem that they both have the same credibility and so we are back where we started from....

Are you a complete moron?


Iraq PM denies shooting inmates

17jul04

WITNESSES have reportedly told an Australian journalist how new Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi shot and killed up to six prisoners just days before his government took control of the country.

A newspaper report today said the two witnesses saw Dr Allawi pull a pistol and execute suspected insurgents at a Baghdad police station.
Dr Allawi's office has denied the claims and branded them "outrageous".

The witnesses said the handcuffed and blindfolded prisoners were lined up against a wall in a courtyard next to the maximum-security cell block in which they were held at the Al-Amariyah security centre.

They say Dr Allawi told bystanders the victims had each killed as many as 50 Iraqis and they "deserved worse than death".

The prime minister's office said Dr Allawi had never visited the centre and he did not carry a gun.

One witness told the Sydney Morning Herald's Iraq correspondent Paul McGeough that before the killings Dr Allawi had told those around him that he wanted to send a clear message to the police on how to deal with insurgents.

"Allawi said that (the prisoners) deserved worse than death but then he pulled the pistol from his belt and started shooting them," the witness said.

The informants said he shot each young man in the head as about a dozen Iraqi policemen and four Americans from the prime minister's personal security team watched.

The witnesses said seven prisoners were present, but one was only wounded.

The Herald said it was the first time eyewitness accounts of the prime minister's brutality had been obtained.

The witnesses, who were not paid for their information, estimated the shooting to have happened about the third weekend in June.

They were enthusiastic about such killings, with one of them saying: "These criminals were terrorists. They are the ones who plant the bombs."

They said the 58-year-old prime minister "wanted to send a message to his policemen and soldiers not to be scared if they kill anyone especially, they are not to worry about tribal revenge".

The Herald said two of men killed, Ahmed Abdulah Ahsamey and Amer Lutfi Mohammed Ahmed al-Kutsia, may have been foreign fighters.

A third, Walid Mehdi Ahmed al-Samarrai, may have been from Samarra, where insurgents raided the home of Interior minister Falah al-Naqib, killing four of his bodyguards on June 19.

Four of the men were described as "Wahabbi", the term for the foreign fundamentalist insurgency fighters.

Dr Allawi's office dismissed the allegations as rumours spread by the government's enemies.

"We face these sorts of allegations on a regular basis," office spokesman Taha Hussein reportedly said.

"Numerous groups are attempting to hinder what the interim Iraqi government is on the verge of achieving, and occasionally they spread outrageous accusations hoping they will be believed and thus harm the honourable reputation of those who sacrifice so much to protect this glorious country and its now free and respectable people."

A senior adviser to Mr al-Naqib, Sabah Khadum, whose portfolio covers police matters, also dismissed the accounts.

The Herald said US officials in Iraq did not deny allegations outright, but said "this case is closed".