@Sweetsound - thanks for the movie snippet - I never saw it, it looks like a great movie, will see if I can get it. At the moment I am trying to get my head round 'Wittgenstein' - the tractatus - have a friend who is into that sort of stuff and me being originally Austrian should know about good ole 'Ludwig' - alas the only 'Ludwig' who ever meant anything to me . . . you can guess, surname 'van . . etcetera' all the best Taurisk
