France is a disgusting country !!!!!, page-36

alonso - no appeasers - it was all conquest - but particularly in Spain it wasn't all bad - There the Moorish rulers (from North Africa) allowed collaboration and co-existence with the Jews - they built wonderful cities and buildings, which tourists still flock to see and they sponsored and glorified in a high culture of learning, music, medicine, science and poetry as well as leaving amazing architecture.
However:
The Ottoman sultans always wanted to conquer the West - Vienna was called the 'Golden Apple' and they tried to control the Adriatic coast as well - there were many invasions by armies - no peace negotiations - I remember one particular story, where a local village, somewhere between Austria and Hungary, sent out a deputation to the Ottoman general to petition their village be spared - they took along a beautiful teenage girl who was to present flowers to the 'Pasha' and all he did was take his razor-sharp sword and cut the girl in two from top to bottom - that's history - they were blood-thirsty - killed where they could, but also were killed when found hiding out, as some did. Many of the 'warriors' were Janissaries, soldiers, originally stolen as children from Europeans and trained as Muslims and warriors only. I don't know if they married, most likely they did, as present-day Turks have a generalist Eastern European look about them - little left of their Asiatic ancestors.

(this is from the internet):
The Ottoman wars in Europe, known as the Ottoman Wars or Turkish Wars for short, were a series of military conflicts. They began with the Byzantine–Ottoman Wars in the 13th century and continued with the Bulgarian–Ottoman Wars and the Serbian–Ottoman Wars in the 14th century, whereupon the Ottoman Empire rapidly conquered the Balkans. The initial Serbian–Ottoman Wars, Croatian–Ottoman Wars and the Ottoman–Hungarian Wars led to a further expansion of the Ottomans into Central Europe in the 15th and 16th centuries. The expansion was significantly checked in the Siege of Vienna (1529), starting the Ottoman–Habsburg wars, and the Holy League of Christian states were able to reverse many Ottoman conquests in the Great Turkish War (late 17th century). Internal rebellions such as the Second Serbian Uprising (1815-1817) and the Greek War of Independence (1821-1832), coupled with continual wars with Russia and Poland, atrophied the empire, which collapsed at the conclusion of World War I with the signing of the Treaty of Sèvres.

So, yes, they were trouble, for a very long time and Erdogan is trying something similar, right now, but he does have a population which is modern, there is opposition to his rule, because people have realised the he and his family are just enriching themselves, so hopefully he will be toppled from within.

Taurisk