Frank Turek PhD...

Originally posted by wotsup ↑

Lets see the whole truth of this passage and "we" need to read it in the context as Jesus "clearly" set out, His was NOT a Spirit = Not. And his words to the effect, He and not a spirit would be raised in three days.

Acts 2:24 Whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death: “because” it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
No hint here that he was raise a spirit.

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken (make alive) your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Same body.

1 Cor 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: As Jesus said it would be and proved.
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for tomorrow we die.
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: Same body.
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: Same body.
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. But the same body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. For as the Father hath life in himself, so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself. Quickening Spirit, means, to make alive. He received the promise of the Holy Spirit and given power, to quicken whom he pleases.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. And the angel with the message from God, spoke to Mary and the power of the highest over shadowed Mary and she became pregnant = from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Same body.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Jesus blood was shed, however when Jesus returns some still living are raised and the bible says nothing whatsoever that they will be shedding their blood prior, so we can’t assume and add things.
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. Same body.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

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"35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
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42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: Same body.
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: Same body.
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. But the same body."
"53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. Same body."

Here is another interesting example of interpretation being skewed based on preconceived understanding.
In this case you seem unable to conceive that the term "body" could mean anything other than the blood, bones and flesh of the Terrestrial body .. understandable because that's the only one you know.

However, if anything is clear in the above verses, especially 42, 43, 44 and 53, it is that the "new" body is most definitely not the same as the previous "corrupted" Terrestrial body.
It is only the mind of wotsup that appends the term "same body" when each verse details how the new body is completely different in nature and certainly not the "same body".

Rom 8:11 is not talking about a resurrected body following death but "quickening" of the existing body through the same "Spirit" that raised Jesus.

Just for my own interest could you briefly outline what you think is the (Earthly) "life ... death ... who knows" ...... process.
For example, are you with the JW's and those who believe the dead stay dead and buried until being raised to brand spanking new physical bodies at the second coming ?