Frydenberg

Originally posted by puntah: ↑

Hey watso,
I see that you've raised quite a few points. I've copied, pasted and greyed your entire post, which is below - my response is within and not greyed (I hope it's not too dark).

lol lol seriously - and in relation to the documentary video that frydenberg has made????? !!!!
and seriously - who is going to watch it ?? ... sure, the ALL ON BOARD will watch it .. but that is all..

I'll watch it just to see and be aware of what's in there.
As to who else will watch it....I guess lots of Australian Jews and those who agree with JF's narrative and are interested in the subject.
I haven't thought about it until now but, who knows, this doco could be pushed into Australian schools' curriculum?
After all, In that interview JF was lamenting the lack of detailed knowledge of the Holocaust among American students. We'll see.

lol lol what a joke - he interviews politicians .. and thinks that their views carry some weight .. frydenberg is deluded .. and for what it is worth - but watso has given up on australian politics -- that is a total clown show .. who cares what john howard, or julia gillard comment about the relevant matter .. or albanese for that matter ..

JF mentions Howard and Gillard. In one of Bob Carr's book I've read years ago that Gillard was really 'on board' and super carefull about not offending the Jewish 'elites' in Australia and overseas, if I can use this term.

I was searching yesterday through that book, couldn't find it and it was taking too much time so I stopped. But I do recall that Carr said that every matter and however small that had had ANYTHING to do with Israel or the Jews had had to be submitted first to her for approval. So there you go, she was and still is fully 'onboard' - her choice if that what she wants.

Yeah, true. I know lots of people who are absolutely not interested in politics - some say why bother with it if one has no influence on the course of events. Such approach has its pros and cons. One of the pros is that, I guess, the time saved can be used for doing something else, as well as one is less annoyed and frustrated.

just a random guess - but maybe frydenberg was never asked any hard questions by the woman ..

I would think that SM's guests are provided with a list of questions that they will be asked, just guessing....
I was actually looking forward to the end of this interview from the very beginning because, of all the hosts out there, I like her the least.
That's because I find her style so shallow and simple, it just puts me off and I don't mean to sound rude.

mmm mmm how about this for a question!! .. "hey josh .. gutteras (the un guy) mentioned that these things (oct7) do not happen in a vacuum - what is your response??

That would have been one good question worth tackling instead of avoiding it. But answering this question in a proper manner using factual information would require STRONG LEADERSHIP, which is lacking, in JF's opinion, among leaders world wide - this is what he said in that interview.

Well, if you ask me, JF just had a perfect opportunity to show us his leadership skills and courage in tackling these very sensitive and so important matters.

lol lol and what would frydenberg's reply have been?? - and seeing that he is a politician ... lol lol never answer the question - butt stay on script .. lol lol ie "hamas are terrorists blah blah blah - baked babies in ovens .. blah blah blah - hung babies out to dry on the clothes lines blah blah blah "..

These days the term 'terrorist' lost is true meaning - just anybody can now be labelled 'a terrorist'. Even people who chant FTRTTS are called terrorists.

Also, JF's narrative is SO uninspiring and mundane, a trully strong and smart leader does not talk like that, imo. His narrative hasn't contibuted anything new or interesting to us, that we have not already heard countless times before. Again, JF had a chance to show us a different approach....

frydenburg is free to make his documentary - with his tears blah blah blah .. but sadly for him - he is going to have great difficulty in changing the minds of anybody ... the sad reality for frydenberg - is that people can see the atrocities - and are very much aware of commentary of the isreali leadership .. about denying water, food, medicines blah blah ..

Look, I don't know? He could have done so much better. He is supposed to be a smart guy, but he didn't.

did frydenberg include interviews with holocaust survivors like the one in Post #: 73735863 by averageJoe .. a good 12 minute interview

I haven't been aware of that post that you are quoting - I'll watch it later.
Talking about testimonies of the Holocaust survivors (and not only the Holocaust's)
I find them very interesting and well worth my time listening and watching them. They are, imo, a very important source of information. Also, if you are interested and don't yet know, you might wanna check works 3-volume work by Raul Hilberg titled 'The Destruction of the European Jews'.

Norm Finkelstein, who I've read and watched extensively, has a very high opinion of Hilberg, and rightly so.

if isreal have lost watso .. then they have lost the argument

Listen, I've seen in one of your post somewhere that, by your own admission, you used to be a pro-Israel / Zionist but, obviously, are no longer.

Can you tell me which event has changed your stance on Israel and made you switch 180 degrees?
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lol lol watso could write a book on the matter.. but best to keep it simple..

ok watso was brought up in a religious household.. starting with sunday school - and bible stories for children blah blah blah .. so watso knew all about adam/eve , noah, abraham, moses, david , solomon ,the prophets, esther, job, jonah, joshua, jesus blah blah blah .. ie all jews .. and they were the ones who were always talking with god .. the jewish god did not talk with the phllistines, the babylonians, egyptions ,the romans blah blah blah .. they had their own gods

so OBVIOUSLY THE JEWS WERE GODS PEOPLES ..

OK the first chink in the armour - was about 35 years ago- when watso became 99% atheist (a few years later watso threw away his bible that he got when he graduated from sunday school - to church .. then he was 100% atheist)..

and the 2nd chink in the armour was after the lies told about the iraq war - and slowly watso totally changed his mind about america ....

anyway, back to israel .. just because watso became an atheist - .. that did not necessarily meant that watso changed his views about isreal .. these were entrenched beliefs .. and of course then toss in a bit of islamophobia .. and the jewish propaganda machine ..

so oct 7.. and watso being 100% atheist, was no longer constrained to thinking that the jews were the chosen people - and also being a person who does not particularly like america - (and isreal's biggest supporter) .. watso now an open minded person - ready to stop believing the blatant isreali lies and readily accepted what the UN guy (gutteras) .. ie that oct 7 did not happen in a vacuum ..;..

oh and frydenberg commented on the types of peoples who supported isreal .. ie politicians, business leaders etc etc .. well mm mm so who were the types of persons who supported the VOICE ?? well the people did not listen to them - least of all albanese ..

anyway frydenberg is not going to be happy with the abc report video at - Post #:73743639 by poster mapp..

frydenberg is not going to get too many supporters by anybody who watches the abc coverage of the conflict ..

for that it is worth, there is a thread on the religious/philosophy forum - called .. "what is holy about the land of isreal " and also a thread about anti semitism