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09/02/17

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Originally posted by RogerMoore ↑

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FUEL CELL ELECTRIC VEHICLES

Friedland said Daimler Chrysler, BMW, Ford and Volkswagen were setting out to electrify Europe by installing hundreds of extremely fast charging stations for fuel cell vehicles.
Each charging station will have a capacity of 350 kW, which will be 140% more powerful than the super chargers proposed by Tesla.
In January, Ford introduced a programme in Europe and America that also allows cars to charge wirelessly.
They pull up to a parking spot and the cars are charged without plugging in.
Some 380 000 people have paid deposits of $1 000 to reserve Tesla Model 3s, which has a reduction motor as its only moving part.
The $35 000 car is extremely copper intensive.
Simultaneously, platinum-catalysed hydrogen fuel cell vehicles will dominate larger vehicle ranges and cold climate regions, owing to fuel cells having proton exchange membranes that also provide heat as well as electricity.
The Toyota Mirai fuel cell car has a range of 312 miles and refuels in less than five minutes and the Germans are following the Japanese.
Daimler Chrysler, BMW, Audi and Volkswagen are all working on fuel cell automobiles.
Large cars, like the Mercedes S Class variety, are more likely to be fuel cell driven, while small cars not required to drive far are likely to be battery driven.
Both are electric cars, except that the fuel cell generates the electrical energy for all-electric drive trains and bigger vehicles will all be fuel cell driven.
The Chinese are building trams that run on hydrogen fuel cells that take 30 seconds to refuel, emit only water and the Chinese are spending $32-billion extending the tracks over 1 200 miles.
He flashed up a picture of a German passenger train with a hydrogen fuel cell that gives it a 500-mile range.
“These sorts of zero-pollution mass transportation vehicles will rely on the platinum that comes from South Africa,” he said.
The Japanese will begin selling fuel cell buses in Japan this year and there will be a fleet of 100 of them in operation for the 2020 Olympics.
He sees platinum as holding the key to hydrogen’s potential, with a typical small car using about 30 g of platinum.
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IMO currently a controversial subject/topic.
Friedlands opinion sounds really strange to me.

What's your opinion?

Cheers
Roger

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@RogerMoore - the 350kW are being deployed in Europe not for Fuel (sorry Fool) cells but for EVs. You can read all about it here: https://electrek.co/2016/10/18/new-ultra-fast-charging-350-kw-stations-evs-europe-audi-bmw/
Elon Musk has indicated that even these high capacity charge stations will not match the upgraded Tesla Supercharger stations that Tesla intends deploying.
Hydrogen is a lame duck for cars - might be applications for trucks and buses but even there battery buses are the go and Tesla is working on trucks as we speak. Toyota have acknowledged they are getting left behind in the Battery EV area and despite resistance for years they have now set up a division to accelerate battery EV vehicles - headed up by some of their most prominent people (Akio Toyoda, grandson of the company's founder Kiichiro Toyoda, has been at the helm of the world's largest automaker since 2009. He will head the company's electric vehicle planning department along with Executive Vice Presidents Mitsuhisa Kato and Shigeki Terashi). Read all about it here:
http://fortune.com/2016/11/30/toyota-president-electric-cars/

Anyone who thinks hydrogen is in this race has rocks in their head. The infrastructure costs are prohibitive and would have to be underwritten by governments and the rollout timeframe is mind boggling to service the global fleet. This hydrogen post is nonsense from the point of view of a competing technology.

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