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02/03/24
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Originally posted by Rob826:
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I'm keen to hear how you arrived at $5 mate. That's at least a $7b market cap, if not more through further dilution. In three years time, AGY won't even have the 10 ktpa expansion up and running. The current spot price is around USD$14.5k/t, but let's be generous and work off a long term average sales price of US$25k per tonne. But then we need to factor in a discount for a long-term offtake. Again let's be conservative and roll with a 10% discount. As we know, nothing is perfect, so let's assume production at 90% of nameplate and keep things simple by assuming everything is battery grade.2 ktpa Operation US$25k x 0.9 (long-term contract discount) = US$22.5 gross revenue per tonne US$22.5 - US$6.5 (minimum OPEX per tonne) = US$16k per tonne after OPEX US$16k per tonne x 0.6 (~40% for taxes and royalties) = US$9.6k net profit per tonne 2000 tpa x 0.9 (90% nameplate) = 1800 tpa gross production 1800 tpa x 0.775 (AGY JV share) = 1395 tpa AGY share of production 1395 tpa x US$9.6k = US$13.392m or A$20.519m annual profit. A$20.519m annual profit - ~A$1.5m annual costs for AGY admin/salaries/Tonopah = ~A$19m net profit per year A$19m x 12 (assumed P/E ratio based on comparable peers) = $228m MC $228m (MC) / 1.4b (SOI) = 16.28 cents share price 1 2 ktpa Operation US$25k x 0.9 (long-term contract discount) = US$22.5 gross revenue per tonne US$22.5 - US$6.5 (minimum OPEX per tonne) = US$16k per tonne US$16k per tonne x 0.6 (~40% for taxes and royalties) = US$9.6k net profit per tonne 12000 tpa x 0.9 (90% nameplate) = 10800 tpa gross production 10800 tpa x 0.9 (AGY JV share) = 9720 tpa AGY share of production 9720 tpa x US$9.6k = US$93.312m or A$142.977m annual profit. A$142.977m annual profit - ~A$1.5m annual costs for AGY admin/salaries/Tonopah = ~A$141.5m net profit per year A$141.5m x 12 (assumed P/E ratio based on comparable peers) = $1.698b MC $1.698b / 1.4b (SOI) = $1.21 share price These numbers are IMO only, but I think some of my estimates err on the optimistic side. I don't actually think AGY will consistently produce at 90% nameplate, nor do I think they will achieve 100% battery grade. I also don't think they'll remain at 1.4b SOI, as I think we'll be diluted along the way (either to fix the 2 ktpa plant or to form part of the funding for the 10 ktpa expansion). Additionally, we need to factor in the payback period, whether that is debt or pre-paid offtake which amounts to foregone revenue. Importantly, the 10 ktpa expansion won't even be built by early 2027, so I really struggle to see how anyone could arrive at such an optimistic share price of $5 in three years time. I'm happy for my numbers to be picked apart as necessary, we're all here to learn (I hope).
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Not picking apart your numbers as there are too many variables. In the past, I've simply looked at competitors and their valuations to give me ballpark expectations. Of note, Orocobre when it was just Argentinian brine producing much less than nameplate with majority tech grade was in the 3 - 7 billion cap range (from memory so I may be mistaken). Although clearly not a direct comparison, provides an indication of possible valuations. With 12,000 up and running (and decent market sentiment) I think the 1 - 3 range is a fair call. With expansion to 25,000 bump that up to ~ 5 maybe. I'm happy with anything over 1 really.