AGY 2.35% 8.3¢ argosy minerals limited

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    Thanks @Simoncho,@GCar, @asxDragonslayer for your good responses.

    It's given me some things to think about and I've done a bit more reading about the art of valuing a company.

    There are so many fine print and exclusions to take into consideration which all make a difference.

    For example.
    • NPV value is Pre-tax
    • AGY will never own 100% in Puna.... at most 90% and that will only happen AFTER the 10ktpa funding.
    We do not know yet how the remaining modular plant will be funded or when.
    • As mentioned before, the byproducts has not been included really and I'm sure they won't be leaving money on the table
    • 25% Tax rate.... in many calculations this is not taken into account together with the 90% only ownership
    • 3% Royalties on realised revenue... not sure who this is payable too
    • For the US$141M capex for the 10ktpa plant there is an 18.4M contingency... so it could cost less than $141M... maybe.... these things tend to overrun though in my limited experience.
    • What overhead or maybe even benefit, there are in the modular approach. ( learn from your small mistakes! )
    • Potential to increase JORC from current 245,120t to between 507,000-721,000t.
    • An increase in JORC would mean a target to increase annual production to I guess at least 15,000ktpa... and if I read the quarterly correctly it said that "A Preliminary Economic Assessment for the 10,000tpa scale operation was completed inNovember 2018. Pending receipt of all regulatory approvals/permits, Argosy will considerdeveloping the larger scale operation up to an additional 10,000tpa.". Does that mean they would aim for 20,000ktpa? or just a faux pas....

    So it's not easy getting all of these moving parts together nevermind the market forces.

    It seems you all agree that NPV is not a tool you would use to value the company.
    P/E of course has it own problems....

    I see you all use a P/E of 15?
    Where does this come from?
    The S&P/ASX 200 index average is 5.7
    Specialty Mining & Metals industry is 6.8

    Also, are you using basic EPS or diluted EPS?

    We have 1,250,271,704 shares on issue.
    5,000,000 - AGYAB Share Appreciation Rights exercisable at $0.22 expiring 28/02/2022
    115,384,578 - Unlisted Options exercisable at $0.25 and expiring 29 October 2022
    39,334,337 - AGYO Options excercisable at $0.20 and expiring 31 March 2022

    That means a potential 1,409,990,619 shares on the market by 29 October 2022..... who knows if that will happen.
    Only if the share is appreciably higher than $0.25 .... at which stage I'm already smiling.

    I'm going to put working out the weighted average shares on market and diluted EPS into the .... " too hard " basket.

    Let's assume then that the price is $15,500 and we do 10,000ktpa
    • Direct operating cost US$4,309/t
    • 3% Royalties on realised revenue

    My calc shows $107,290,000 pre-tax net profit.
    If used on $13,000 price it comes to $79,650,000, which is higher than their $74M so I'm still getting a higher number because I'm not including other costs like "sustaining capital" etc etc.

    Conversion to current A$ value
    US$107,290,000 / .76 = A$141,171,052

    Minus 25% Tax
    A$141,171,052 * 0.75 = A$105,878,289 - after tax profit for Puna
    A$105,878,289 *.90 = A$95,290,460 - after tax profit for Argosy

    A$95,290,460 / 1,250,271,704 = 0.07621 EPS

    "Forward" P/E" based on EPS and representative sector / peer P/E
    TypeP/EEPSS/PShares on IssueMC
    1ASX 200S&P/ASX 200 index average5.70.07620.43441,250,271,704A$543,155,622.00
    2Specialty Mining & Metals industry6.80.07620.51831,250,271,704A$647,975,128.00
    3??150.07621.14321,250,271,704A$1,429,356,900.00

    NPV10 in the PEA for 10ktpa @ US$15,500 lithium price was US$580M ( A$763M )
    Of course that is pre-tax and with 100% ownership etc... not representative of the real figure which gives us A$515M when taken into account.

    Please have a look at the above and comment.... maybe suggest a reasonable forward P/E ratio based on peers or something else?

    There are a few things that this does not include, that I'll mention again.
    • Any success in the TLP site
    • IP .... ( I think Jerko said and one stage said ... paraphrased.... "Argosy is not a mining company, we are a chemical processing company" )
    • Applying the success formula on another site ( TLP ) or wherever....
    • Lithium price change
    • JORC Expansion / Prodution increase to 20ktpa?
    Last edited by krugerrands: 28/06/21
 
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