going through old interviews to get further up to speed as I increase my holding and I came across this gem - wow
sorry if it's already been posted .... but even if you have heard it, it's worth another listen
On the Couch with Geoff Lord and Kurt Hansen from Tesserent
https://marcustoday.com.au/2021/05/on-the-couch-with-geoff-lord-and-kurt-hansen-from-tesserent-tnt/