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You are not called a downramper if you ask which manufacturers. You are either told that no one knows or people speculate who they may be (for example, potentially could be GM/Ford/Stellantis per the C4V relationship with ABTC, as well as many others - I do not know the answer).

You are called a downramper if you say the company lies and the batterys and plant do not exist and no battery has been manufactured or tested. These claims go against the companies announcements and are often not backed up by any supporting evidence apart from something along the lines of "we do not know who did it, so it must have never been done at all".

Can you please remind me exactly what Frank said about Townsville and when? Also, what did he said in the share cafe interview? You keep going on about it, but I have no idea exactly what you are referring to.