Germans Once again pull apart a Tesla

Originally posted by mudguts ↑

This is where we disagree.

Take every car on the road & replace its kWh consumption from petrol/oil/ diesel to electric.
(easier calculation to see the consumption of fuel in Aust) & this has to be replaced in some form.

The power has to come from some where.

If you were to put the expected kWh met by ICE engines onto the current electrical system it would fold..Its crapping its pants now.

Most peoples car are where during the day? In a car park not at home. How are they all going to charge at home at night. Telsa batteries, how do you meet peak demand in the afternoon if car are sucking the supply.

Whilst EV's a 5/8's of a bees dick of total vehicles its not an issue.

Nuclear is cheaper than all forms & clearer & 24/7 and is the only tech we have available (right now)

Ev's are just pushing the CO2 to the power station.

Solar & wind cannot meet the demand. SA has proven this time & time again. The battery is being charged from SE Qld Tarong (dirty coal fired power station). Don't see the greenies complaining about that as it is keeping the lights on.

Technology is a long way from where we think we are.

(fusion reactor recently created more power than it consumed (finally)/ Thorium reactors starting to get traction/ Nuclear "wave' buring tech is being funded by Bill Gates --- but none of them are here & now)

Elon will LOVE us to convert to EV's because of the disruption & chaos it will create with him having the solution for a problem we didn't have.

How much CO2 does an electric car actually save in its life time, along with the networks required to be built to charge the masses.

Have to laugh at my mates Tesla, has a program to seek out an unattended charging station, to bad it its not on your desired route or you have to park 2 burbs away. None of this is a problem if you are a CEO & have your own dedicated charging station though in your underground car park(as we would all like to have), multiply that by 18M cars in Aust & we have a few large scale problems (that seem inconsequential in the ramp up period).

Batteries are the issue - 1000+ range & 5 to 10 min recharge then we need the network to supply.

Tech will improve the situation. We are not there yet

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You are carrying on as if we are going to replace all the vehicles on the road tomorrow . You seem to forget that this is a progressive change over time . The power grid is already being modified for renewable energy and distributed storage .

If you watched the previous video that I posted you will see how managing the charging of a 100% electric car fleet is possible and the impact on the grid is nowhere near as bad as you claim .

Feel free to post some actual numbers to counter the study in the video if you like .

Yes , we are going to shift the energy demand from petrol and diesel to electricity generation from various forms and that will increase the load on the grid . But , it won't overload it because of modern management tequniques .

There is an argument that you would be just shifting the polluting from the car to the power station however there are studies that powering an electric car fleet from coal and gas is more efficient than from petrol and gas . The benefit of that is that not all the power on the grid is from coal and gas and that amount is being reduced day by day by renewables . So as renewable generation grows , the car fleet gets greener .

The grid is not " crapping it's pants now " . That is simply bs . Have a look at the power demand chart during a normal day . Have a look at the duck curve of renewables as well . There is huge capacity within the grid . It is only a timing issue that creates a problem . The included talk by Amory Lovins explains how this could be managed in America . A power system quite similar to ours .

Nuclear is not the saviour . It is crazy expensive and it's build time makes it impractical . 10 years to build a nuclear power station ? We can build an awful lot of renewable and storage in that time and it will be a progressive increase rather than doing without the power for a decade until the nuke is built .

How often does your mate need to find a charging station ? If his car is charged at home it will be rare that he need to charge it anywhere else . Range anxiety for the vast majority is a myth for the average driver . The average Australian drives 15k per year . That's under 60ks per day on weekdays in a year . Even the smallest ev today can manage that .

I do agree that the technology isn't where it needs to be , particularly in storage . But that area is progressing and is quite predictible in where it is heading .