Anyone or any group that forms on the fact - that Jesus is the...

Anyone or any group that forms on the fact - that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God = IS THE Church, whether it be one or many.

BUT, that is NOT what your church now is built upon, you do not know the True Son, hence impossible to know the Father.
Hence the gates of hell prevailed on you lot, as history has clearly demonstrated for many centuries, exposing the drift away from

No wotsup, this is where your ignorance and anti-Catholic bigotry is shining and those who know better will just dismiss it for what it is, the CC is build on the true version of who the Son is.

First of all thanks for your confirmation of your life story and where you’re coming from, I have know that for some time that it is you and your personality of your up bringing that has influenced the way you see things in the bible, as I’m a great believer that we see things how we are not how they really are, and you are a shining example of it, as nobody sees things as you are its only in your mind and imagination, once you come to terms with this you will realise how childish your take really is

As this verse is for specifically you 2 Peter 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Now, you are always shouting show us in the bible, bible, bible and now the interlinear as if you have hit the jackpot as in agreeing with you

NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SUPPORT THIS OR YOU” as in your “Anyone or any group that forms on the fact - that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God = IS THE Church, whether it be one or many.”

First of all, the apostles formed churches, no church in the bible came about by 1 person or those who just believed, or even a group who again just believed, all churches were set up by the apostles and leaders were always appointed, there is no two way about this as in just believing to be a church that is pure non-sense, not biblical

THIS IS ONLY A NOTION INVENTED BY LUTHER YOUR FATHER TO JUSTIFY HIS EXISTANCE AFTER HE WAS EXCUMMUNICATED FROM THE CC NOTHING MORE, this is what the bible says to your silly notion, bible is very specific that there is more in the church then just believers. We see in these verse along with many in the bible, the continuation of the teaching in appointing leaders, none just spranging up on their own and forming and education others on their own understandings especially when problems arose along with false teaching as you are doing. There were always the church to rebuke imaginations such as your own as satan can influence minds we see that with Judas


1 Corinthians 12:28-29 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?


Then We see from the start a replacement for the bishopric of Judas in Acts 1:20 even uses episkopos (“bishop”/“office” in RSV; “bishoprick” in KJV) to describe Judas, who was succeeded by Matthias.

1. after the analogy of the Hebrew פְּקֻדָּה(Numbers 4:16; 1 Chronicles 24:19 (here the Sept. ἐπίσκεψις), etc.), oversight i. e. overseership, office, charge; Vulg.episcopatus: Acts 1:20, from Psalm 108:8 (); specifically, the office of a bishop (the overseer or presiding officer of a Christian church): 1 Timothy 3:1, and in ecclesiastical writings

1 Timothy 3:1 — King James Version (KJV 1900)
1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

Acts 1:15-26
There are several truths in the New Testament regarding leadership appointment:
The normal pattern in the New Testament was for proven leaders from outside a local church community to recognize the gifts of leadership in others and publicly appoint them. Jesus did this with His apostles (Luke 6:12), as did Paul in the churches he planted (Acts 14:21-23). Because those who are gifted as apostles are the ones who most often pioneer new churches, it is the apostles who most often appointed local church leaders

The apostles chose another apostle – Acts 1:26
When there were problems in the church in Crete, Paul sent Titus to set things in order and to appoint elders – Titus 1:5
When there was a need for some admin help in the early church, the apostles oversaw the process of selection and appointment of these leaders – Acts 6:1-6

Jesus modeled the truth of leaders appointing leaders: He chose apostles from among his disciples to be leaders among them – Luke 6:13

The elders oversaw the distribution of goods to the poor among them – Acts 11:30

When their was a dispute, it was the apostles and elders that functioned as representatives of the people that judged the matter, and an apostle among them, James, who chaired the gathering – Acts 15:4, 16:4

At the end of his life, Paul called for the elders of a church to come together – Acts 20:17

When there were problems in the church in Crete, Paul sent Titus to set things in order and to appoint elders – Titus 1:5

Ephesians 4:11-12 And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,

Acts 11:27-30 Now in these days prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch. And one of them named Agabus stood up and foretold by the Spirit that there would be a great famine over all the world; and this took place in the days of Claudius. And the disciples determined, every one according to his ability, to send relief to the brethren who lived in Judea; and they did so, sending it to the elders by the hand of Barnabas and Saul. The authority of this prophet Agabus (backed up by “the Spirit” was so acknowledged, that (in Acts 11) “the disciples” accepted it, as did Paul and Barnabas

Acts 21:10-11 While we were staying for some days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. And coming to us he took Paul’s girdle and bound his own feet and hands, and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this girdle and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’”

Acts 13:1 Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers, Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen a member of the court of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Acts 15:32 And Judas and Silas, who were themselves prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words and strengthened them. (. Luke 2:36)





Hence the gates of hell prevailed on you lot, as history has clearly demonstrated for many centuries, exposing the drift away from

Then you are calling Jesus a liar, one thing for certain, the CC wasn’t formed by one person from the outback of WA, who has issues of his up bringing and culture to influence the mentality to do mental gymnasium in reading the bible.
Examine your own being first before using that mentality to decipher what the bible is saying along with the interlinear, and first of all tame your anti-Catholic bigotry as its eating you from the inside.