On the other side of the debate we have Grant, dumbr, thurlow,...

On the other side of the debate we have Grant, dumbr, thurlow, sb200, and a few other "know it alls":
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Stubborn bears are very generous characters, particularly when they can't understand fundamentals.

These bears give you assets dirt cheap.

They'll also take them off your hands near the top of the market, when after seeing the huge profits they have missed out on, they finally admit they're wrong and decide to get a piece of the action.