Spanners, Yes I am doing quite well. Perhaps next time you quote Mr Martin Armstrong & explain he is free, could you also mention his background (google The New Yorker October 12 2009 page 74) Quote from article: "To conceal this , he and Republic issued phony accounts statements to the Japanese investors". Unfortunately it appears without conviction he has spend the last 7 years in jail for contempt. Appears his file was lost in September 11 bombings. Perhaps when he makes his peace with these Japanese investors who lost their funds with him, I might have a little more time for him & his Pi theory. Regards Buffett PS It seems time in jail makes legends just like "Chopper" for the gullible.