I think anyone who would lie on Hot Copper , @Skol would be a sad, sad person. NST has been my shining light, and many other's shining light. Of course I've lost, in the past, when I wasn't so good at trading. CGN for example, complete dog speccy that I took a punt on only because I overheard an old man talk about it, lost 10k, ah well. Point I'm making is, don't be so arrogant if people are successful.