re: hey wipo - good news from jerusalem post Wipo...

re: hey wipo - good news from jerusalem post Wipo Jewish?
Nahhhhhhhh!
I believe him! Millions wouldn't but I believe him... I think!

That's if I believe that:
I'm atomu,
a 26 year old gay,
a gay who likes to go with 99 year-old men
a gay who can speak japenese,
a gay who is stupid enough to post this cr@p on a gay site,
a gay who is stupid enough to leave that cr@p on the net once he's found out by the likes of wipo
a gay who would not have wipo sent to jail for defaming him.

Here's a little thread I've managed to find.
Check out the twisting and shouting by this rabid mongrel God, such as "I've got proof!" and "it was sent to me by an unonymous person" and "heck it isn't really proof..." and "photos of bizarre sexual activity' (not verbatim) and "hell, they're not even bizzare." Twist and shout all the way.

I remember watching all this hatchett job done by wipo at the time and could not believe that he could get away with it. And I remember the anger I had when I saw that atomou was thrown out... He's in Boston somewhere at the moment, at least that's where he sent me his last email in November some time.

Wipo, mongrel: If you think I'm 26, or anywhere under 60 then you're either a bigger idiot than I thought or a more devious bastard still.

Can you show us those photos of the bizarre sexual activities? Or positions or whatever you've got under your bed?

You mongrel!

Subject re: proud of what you done?
Posted 07/08/04 22:37 - 40 reads
Posted by belmore
Post #120747 - in reply to msg. #120746 - splitview

I was wondering when the mindless barbarians would come out!
Daver: "My parents have told me that the more bombs dropped on Japan the more every Australian cheered, as it was those bombs that ended the war."

Is there an echo in here?

Davo and ghost: I usually have sex to get so high. Have you ever tried it? Ask ghost or yak or monster... certainly ask snooker, there's quite a bit of choice here for you.

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Subject re: proud of what you done?
Posted 08/08/04 08:49 - 43 reads
Posted by Dave R
Post #120785 - in reply to msg. #120747 - splitview

belmore is atomu all right.
hit him with the truth about anything and he responds by talking about sex.
Total loser.
Dave R.

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Subject re: proud of what you done?
Posted 08/08/04 09:28 - 35 reads
Posted by charleslew
Post #120788 - in reply to msg. #120785 - splitview

Dave.

Could belmore/atomu be a TWO headed monster? Too much sex perhaps or maybe too much THINKING about sex?

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Subject re: proud of what you done?
Posted 08/08/04 09:40 - 33 reads
Posted by Dave R
Post #120789 - in reply to msg. #120788 - splitview

I'd support the THINKING about it charles.
Anyone who spends as much time on the Net as he does would not have much time for anything else.

Also Atomu posted about his sexual experience one night and it sounded very school-boyish to me.
He thought he was talking like an adult though.

Dave R.

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Subject the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 09:50 - 55 reads
Posted by yAkreturns
Post #120791 - in reply to msg. #120785 - splitview

davo...........belmore / atomu is a bloke with an "alternative" approach to sexuality..........

..........and I have the proof!

Held in reserve till he pisses me off enough but the proof is irrefutable - complete with pictures and preferred "predilections".

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 11:12 - 36 reads
Posted by TOU4U
Post #120799 - in reply to msg. #120791 - splitview

Here's the yella fella making threats again. After he squealed so loud in connection with aspersions cast upon himself, now he's going to post proof of "perversions" by another poster.

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 11:36 - 39 reads
Posted by Ypsilon
Post #120806 - in reply to msg. #120791 - splitview

Yak....Do you realise the seriousness of your claim?
If you indeed have pictures of poor old atomu in compromising positions one of the following must be truth:
A). You were participating either directly or indirectly in the "play".
B). You are a close relative of Atomu, and you had a serious fall-out....
C). Somehow you used illegal (detective like...) methods to photograph Atomu indulging in the unflattering "menage a trois" like sexual activities....

My friend, no matter which any of the above three holds true, it does not make you neither an intelligent person nor a hero even among those who are not exactly enamoured with Atomu's farrago of anti-Western bombastic inanities.....
I think you have stooped very-very low this time Yak...sorry mate.......

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:04 - 33 reads
Posted by yAkreturns
Post #120807 - in reply to msg. #120806 - splitview

E.........trouble with your analysis is two-fold

I obtained the info in NONE of the manners you described!!!!

I obtained the info FROM THE WEB where he posted these intimate details ABOUT HIMSELF.

Anyone can get this!!!!

And secondly,

I have not released the info but will if he gets under my skin

BTW,...there is no info that can identify him in real life

...only this atomu/belmore persona he uses here on H/C

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:08 - 30 reads
Posted by yAkreturns
Post #120808 - in reply to msg. #120799 - splitview

costic.....

As is ALWAYS the case with you......

...your analysis of the situation is facile, spurious, incomplete and illogical.

The difference of course is the info which may be posted is in no way identifying atomu in REAL life...

...it only provides info on his H/C persona and utilising details he himself posted.

From memory.....you were deafeningly SILENT when it was done to me.....

...so where's your problem now?????

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:12 - 26 reads
Posted by Ypsilon
Post #120809 - in reply to msg. #120807 - splitview

And HOW did you "obtain" it from the WEB?
What "methods' did you use?
Did he actually give you the url to go and admire his .....sexual prowess???
Does it not fall in the third of my assumptions???
Come on Yak...Please.......
I am sure...You can do better mate!!!!!!

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:13 - 28 reads
Posted by yAkreturns
Post #120810 - in reply to msg. #120809 - splitview

Fact is ...it was emailed to me

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:18 - 25 reads
Posted by TOU4U
Post #120811 - in reply to msg. #120808 - splitview

On the contrary, I was outspoken then at your hypocritical reaction and threats to sue HotCopper.


Regarding atomu, you would still be committing an actionable offence by publishing defamatory claims, even if atomu's true identity was not known on this board. That is because there are posters here who know atomu's real identity.

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:19 - 29 reads
Posted by Ypsilon
Post #120812 - in reply to msg. #120810 - splitview

Yeah...right...
Now that you ran out of options-excuses, you are resorting to your last refuge...Email that you received....
I bet the sender was an anonymous person....Right????

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:20 - 28 reads
Posted by TOU4U
Post #120813 - in reply to msg. #120812 - splitview

Sounds like conspiracy to commit libel.

(Nasty)

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:25 - 27 reads
Posted by yAkreturns
Post #120816 - in reply to msg. #120812 - splitview

Exactly correct..anonymous.

I'm becoming quite suspicious of you frankly

- was it you in fact who sent it to me??

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:28 - 26 reads
Posted by TOU4U
Post #120818 - in reply to msg. #120816 - splitview

Ha ha! August fool Yak!!!

(doncha know atomu and Ypsilon are one and the same)

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:30 - 21 reads
Posted by Ypsilon
Post #120819 - in reply to msg. #120813 - splitview

Conspiracy to commit Libel? Cospiracy by whom? Libel against whom? Be more specific please.....

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Subject tou4e: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:30 - 38 reads
Posted by yAkreturns
Post #120820 - in reply to msg. #120811 - splitview

Precisely why your analyses of EVERYTHING is fraught with nonsense.

When I ask where your problem with this when you were deafeningly silent when it was done to me

your reply was

"On the contrary, I was outspoken then at your hypocritical reaction and threats to sue HotCopper"

So you didnt mind the stuff being posted

...just my response

So why not take the same approach now???

So ridicule Atomu when he kicks up a stink - if it emerges

And secondly...libel......look it up.

So, for example ...if I publish the fact that someone was say a Liberal or a Soroptomist or an ex-felon or a heterosexual or a homosexual....

...is that libel if its true?

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:33 - 21 reads
Posted by yAkreturns
Post #120821 - in reply to msg. #120818 - splitview

costic..."(doncha know atomu and Ypsilon are one and the same"

I dont think so

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Subject re: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:34 - 21 reads
Posted by Ypsilon
Post #120822 - in reply to msg. #120816 - splitview

Hahahahahaha.....
Laughing unstoppably!!
And i need it to get over the mild bout of influenza.....
Yak.....Are we chasing chimeras again???

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Subject re: tou4e: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:35 - 26 reads
Posted by TOU4U
Post #120824 - in reply to msg. #120820 - splitview

Do you know the difference between libel and slander Yak?


(their is no truth defence for one of them)

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Subject re: tou4e: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:38 - 29 reads
Posted by yAkreturns
Post #120825 - in reply to msg. #120824 - splitview

essentially

..ones spoken...... the others written (published)

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Subject re: tou4e: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:45 - 20 reads
Posted by Ypsilon
Post #120826 - in reply to msg. #120825 - splitview

"Verba volant Scripta manent"...Yak!!!!
(...You have almost succeded....I, atleast, have almost espoused as extremely serious the histrionics....)!

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Subject re: tou4e: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:55 - 26 reads
Posted by TOU4U
Post #120828 - in reply to msg. #120825 - splitview

Defences (Queensland Law)

Truth
If defamatory material is true and if it is in the public interest that the truth be known, then the publication of defamatory material will be lawful.

Both elements of this defence, truth and public benefit are equally necessary. For example, an allegation that a person was homos&xual or that he would sell his mother for a drink could not be defended even if it was true, because the public has no interest in knowing that information.

In South Australia, Western Australia, Northern Territory and Victoria, truth by itself is a defence.

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Fair Comment
This defence is available if a statement constitutes an honest opinion and does not purport to be a statement of fact. An opinion is not honest if any ulterior motive, such as spite, has distorted it.

When this defence is relied upon, the defendant must prove the truth of any facts which are commented on and prove that the views expressed about those facts were not expressed as facts but as opinion.

It is often difficult to decide whether a particular statement is an expression of fact or comment. Much will depend upon the context of the expression. The test used to decide whether a statement is fact or comment is not to ask what the defendant meant, but to ask what the ordinary, unprejudiced reader would take the statement to mean. If a published statement purports to be criticism of a published work or published performance, then it is comment. Bare inferences or allegations without reference to the facts on which they are based will generally be treated as statements of fact.

This defence is available when comment is made about:

reports of certain matters
the public conduct of those taking part in public affairs
cases decided by courts. Comment should only be made once the case has been decided. A comment during a case which could influence the hearing of the case may be regarded as contempt of court
literature, art, musical performances, public entertainment, sporting events and the characters of those involved, as it appears from the work or performance
communications to the public made by the person defamed
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Absolute Protection
The defence of absolute protection is available when the publication complained of, consists of, or is part of, any of the following:

a speech made in Parliament
a petition presented to Parliament
reports or other papers published by Parliament
statement made in a court of law or in some government inquiry (if constituted under Commission of Inquiry Act or in the official report of such inquiry)
The defence is absolute because it applies even if the publication was untrue or the publisher acted on some improper motive, such as malice.

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Qualified Protection
This defence is available, even if a published statement is untrue, when a publication is:

a censure of a person by someone having authority to censure the conduct in question
a complaint about misconduct to a person reasonably believed to have authority in the matter over the person defamed
a statement made to protect a persons interests, or for the public good
a reply to a request for information by a person who has a real interest in knowing the truth about the published matter
a voluntary statement providing information to a person who has a legitimate interest in knowing such information
made because the person defamed invited or challenged the publication
a rebuttal of earlier defamatory matter published by the person defamed
a discussion of some matter of public interest, when the discussion is for the public benefit
This defence is qualified, because it is not available if a publisher acts out of spite or for any other improper reason, or if the manner or extent of publication is excessive or the defamatory material is irrelevant to the subject of discussion attracting qualified protection.

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Fair Reports
In some circumstances, it is a defence to claim that a publication was a fair (accurate) report of certain things.

The report must be for the purpose of providing information to the public. It must not have been published out of spite or for some other improper reason.

Fair reports may be published of:

parliamentary and court proceedings
enquiries held by the Government, or some government body
proceedings of local authorities, boards and other authorities carrying out public functions. The defence is only available if the report relates to a matter of public concern
proceedings of public meetings involving matters of public concern
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Constitutional Guarantee of Free Speech
The High Court of Australia in 1994 ruled there was a right in certain circumstances to criticise politicians and others holding public office, provided that what was said was believed to be true.

It was said that this right was implied in the Commonwealth constitution and also in the constitutions of the various states. The decision establishing the principle was controversial.

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Innocent Sellers of Periodicals and Books
Nobody is liable for selling a defamatory periodical unless he or she knows it is defamatory, or knows that defamatory matter is habitually or frequently contained in it.

Similarly, the seller of a defamatory book is not liable to the defamed person unless he or she knew it was defamatory when it was sold.

Innocent Employers
Employers are not responsible for the sale of defamatory books or periodicals by their employees unless they know that a book is defamatory or that a periodical is likely to contain defamatory material when it is sold.

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Triviality
If a defamatory statement was not made in writing and there is no likelihood of any injury to the person defamed, the trivial nature of the defamation can be raised as a defence to any action.

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Accidental Defamation in Periodicals
The defence of accidental defamation is available to newspapers and periodicals if the publication of defamatory material is made:

without ill-will to the person defamed;
for no other improper motive; and
without gross negligence.
A newspaper or periodical seeking to rely on this defence must publish a full apology in the newspaper or periodical as soon as possible after the defamatory material is accidentally published.

A newspaper or periodical pleading such a defence may also pay money into court to compensate the defamed person for the injury suffered.

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Apology
Although an apology is not strictly a defence to a claim of defamation, the Defamation Act 1889 provides that the defendant may use an apology as evidence to mitigate damages.

An apology can also weaken a potential claim, especially if material has been published without malice or gross negligence.

A person or company responsible for a defamatory publication might wish to apologise in two circumstances. They are:

when a statement, which is deliberately made, turns out to be untrue.
A suitable form of apology is:
A report appeared in the newsletter of February 19 to the effect that Mr Smith is/was/did ________. The report was published by us on information that we believed reliable, but we have ascertained and now recognise that there is no foundation for this statement, and we regret that it was ever made. We are glad to take the earliest opportunity of correcting our error and of expressing to Mr Smith our regret for any distress or embarrassment caused to him by the original report.


When a statement is made innocently about the plaintiff or about someone else and that statement reflects poorly on the plaintiff's character.
A suitable form of apology is:
In the February issue of this newsletter, a paragraph headed ________ was published. It has been pointed out to us that this might have been read as suggesting that ________. No such suggestion was ever intended, and it would of course have been totally unfounded. We greatly regret any distress or embarrassment that the wording of this paragraph may have caused to ________, and we are glad to take this opportunity of disclaiming any such imputation.

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Subject re: tou4e: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:58 - 21 reads
Posted by Ypsilon
Post #120829 - in reply to msg. #120828 - splitview

Why bother?
Who are you trying to convince??????????????????????

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Subject re: tou4e: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 12:59 - 24 reads
Posted by TOU4U
Post #120830 - in reply to msg. #120828 - splitview

Fair comment defence:

This defence is available when comment is made about:
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.
.
.

communications to the public made by the person defamed


So we all have a defence in respect of what we comment about other people's statements here in HotCopper.

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Subject re: tou4e: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 13:02 - 21 reads
Posted by TOU4U
Post #120832 - in reply to msg. #120829 - splitview

In some states, truth is not a defence if the statement was made maliciously or spitefully. In any case, the truth must be proven to be in the public interest or it's still slander/libel.

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Subject re: tou4e: the truth about atomu...you done?
Posted 08/08/04 13:12 - 27 reads
Posted by Ypsilon
Post #120833 - in reply to msg. #120832 - splitview

Yes BUT ...This is ONLY a theatrical play...
A play to convince us ....That there does not exist a...."Game"....or ...a..."Kolpo".......
And you know it very well......

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Subject re:daver proud of what you done?
Posted 08/08/04 15:54 - 27 reads
Posted by belmore
Post #120838 - in reply to msg. #120785 - splitview

and daver is daver all right. he always responds with stupid words.

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Subject re: re:daver proud of what you done?
Posted 08/08/04 15:55 - 29 reads
Posted by belmore
Post #120839 - in reply to msg. #120838 - splitview

propaply becose he doesnt now about anything about sex.