I dug this up especially for the both of you. Seeing as you were neither overly impressed with Dr Paul Craig Roberts interpretation, this interview with former Prime Minister Malcolm Frazer, may soften both your attitudes. I never liked Malcolm Frazer as a PM. However, over the years as a Statesman, he has shown a different side and should be respected for his philosophical approach to the Ukraine - Russia - Nato - US situation, even if he is standing out as a lone voice of the Australian political spectrum.
