i have to laugh, page-2

That's not very nice Patrolly. It's not about laughing at other posters, and what they think or believe. It's about discussing anything and everything to do with a particular company, fundamentally and technically, including possible/potential price movements, and hopefully learning. Thats what Stock Forums like HotCopper are all about. You ask us to spare you our guess work? How about you spare us your cynicism.