Both well past their use by date imo.
Too long in parliament they are out of touch with the real world and will be surrounded by the Canberra bubble and will be misled.
Both are popular so Labor lemmings will rush to them thinking they'll be saved.
But neither will win the next election.
They need someone new to lead them and reset their policies. Otherwise they will be unable to win.
Both Plibersek and Albanese are as much to blame for this Labor loss as Shorten.
