There is no way, NO WAY, that you could, or should, put Hawke and Keating on the same level as Shorten and Bowen.
FGS, there is no comparison. Hawke and Keating were GIANTS, compared to those two numpties. I voted for them and was proud to do so! They had vision, they had courage, and they had the Accord with the unions to make it all work.
If you think Shorten and Bowen et al are capable of anything remotely close to that, then you are sadly mistaken.
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