Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??
The Drudge report times out.
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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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Sharenot so stupid now Up 10% Gobs baby, when's the big sell off due? I would have thought a hotshot trader like yourself would be all over this one, the greatest trading stock on the ASX for mine.
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Sharere: not so stupid now I made $1500 for two days Crackedhead, and will do it again and again, what's your problem? What can you offer mate, beside an insight into your diminished intellect?
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Sharere: not so stupid now Yeah, right peanut, aren't you the mega trader? Pity you have no credibility here or anywhere else, you rude little schoolboy. Get a job and stop bugging people....
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Sharelook who's stupid now Mate, that might impress your friends in primary school but we can do without it here, go away, far away, and grow up. Just another multi-nicked dickhead aren't you?
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Sharere: not so stupid now**hey big ears**** You got me there big fella,
I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
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Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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ShareThere are infinite ways to lose money......infinite ways. Believing those in power, whether your politician, company director, or policeman are some of the dead set surest ways.
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Sharesandune, you come across as being so deluded by hate.
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ShareVery direct, and good post. It's only others that will feel the shame for the directors TSS.
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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Sharerogerm, while you've deciphered the good and bad posters, have you also pigeon holed the ones that have fallen in love with the stock and reject any opinion other than the one they want to hear?
It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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ShareSo you can see both sides of the story matty.
I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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ShareAgree seuss.
I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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ShareI know. Maybe I didn't explain myself very well.
There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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Tasers: 'If officers have a new toy, they like using it'
Tasers are part of the modern police's arsenal. But how safe are they and why are the guidelines for their use so vague?
Patrick Barkham
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 9 November 2011 19.59 GMT
It was an ordinary November morning when Howard Swarray went to his local gym in Whalley Range, Manchester. During his regular workout, he started to feel light-headed and suffered an epileptic seizure. Paramedics were called but, as the 41-year-old father of three writhed in agony, so were Greater Manchester police. As a disorientated Swarray struggled with those restraining him, an officer racing to the scene was recorded on police radio saying: "If he's getting aggressive I am sure 50,000 volts will stand him up."
Swarray has no memory of what it felt like to be shot with an electric stun gun but his medical notes recorded that a Taser was used against him five times. Swarray was so heavily sedated with ketamine by an attending doctor in order to transport him to hospital that he spent eight days in a coma. He was subsequently diagnosed with kidney failure.
This was only one of nearly 9,000 incidents in which UK police deployed Tasers in the six years after they were first trialled in 2003. The frequency with which the American-built electronic stun gun is pointed by police – the only people alongside the military who are permitted to use them in this country – is rising steadily. Tasers were last month deployed in the eviction of Travellers from Dale Farm in Essex and against a mentally ill 72-year-old in Cornwall. Last year one was accidentally fired into a 14-year-old girl. They have been fired by police in every corner of the country; and in situations ranging from the Raoul Moat siege to stunning an Alzheimer's sufferer and subduing a man in a fracas at Frome football club.
Taser International, the firm that has supplied 600,000 Tasers to 16,300 law enforcement agencies in 207 countries, predicts revenues of $73m (£46m) from sales of its stun gun range this year. It admits its devices are not risk-free but cites a US study that found 99.75% of 1,201 people suffered mild or no injuries after being hit with an "electronic control device". Taser International claims that more than 80,000 lives have been saved by their deployment. But there is growing disquiet about the way police use what is sometimes billed as a "less lethal" weapon. Amnesty International has recorded 450 deaths after a Taser firing. It is rarely clear whether a Taser has directly contributed towards a death, but in July this year Taser International was ordered to pay $10m (£6m) to the family of Darryl Turner, a teenager who died in 2008 after police shot him with a Taser at a grocery store in North Carolina. A jury found that Taser International failed to warn the police that discharging the weapon into the chest close to the heart risked cardiac arrest. The company also this year lost an appeal against a $6m (£3.7m) wrongful death verdict in the case of Robert Heston, a Californian subjected to 75 seconds of repeated Taser discharges who died of a heart attack.
A rifle that fires bolts of electricity was dreamed up by Tom Swift, the fictional teenage hero of a series of American adventure books for boys in the early 20th century. Jack Cover, a nuclear physicist who worked on the Apollo moon landings, devised the real thing in his garage in the late 1950s and gave it an acronym in honour of Swift (Thomas A Swift's Electric Rifle). Early Tasers used gunpowder to fire electric darts. Classified as firearms, they were not adopted by police departments until the 1990s, when two Arizona brothers, Rick and Thomas Smith, contacted Cover and launched the Air Taser, using the inventor's idea of compressed air rather than gunpowder to propel darts attached to insulated wires bearing an electric charge. The modern electric stun gun was born.
As its use spread across the US, and then around the world, Taser became a verb. "Don't Tase me, bro," shouted Andrew Meyer, an unarmed University of Florida student who was shot with a Taser in 2007 while being wrestled out of a debating hall by police after he had tried to ask a question of former US presidential candidate John Kerry. The YouTube video has been watched 6m times and footage of innocent and not-so-innocent people toppling over like skittles after being shot with a Taser is now an internet staple. The standard Taser in use by police in Britain – and yours for $500 (subject to security checks) from US websites – fires two barbs that can carry wires up to 6.4 metres. These attach to the subject's flesh or clothing, forming a circuit through which an electric current is discharged. Its effect is, victims say, like an agonising cramp. Five seconds later, in theory, they are fine.
Howard Swarray, who was having an epileptic fit when he was Tasered by police Howard Swarray, who was having an epileptic fit when he was Tasered by police. Photograph: Manchester Evening News
The Taser videos are distressing and Swarray cannot bear to watch footage of police restraining him two years ago. His seizure left him unable to remember all the details but eyewitnesses, officials and CCTV from the gym have filled in the blanks. It is common for a person in the recovery phase after a seizure to become aggressive and disorientated, and Swarray sought to escape the gym to cool down, climbing on to the reception desk, at which point he was restrained. A report by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) into the incident claimed he "bit, punched and kicked the people who were trying to restrain and treat him", but Swarray's lawyer says no evidence has been produced to support this. Swarray says gym staff told paramedics he was suffering from a seizure but police still struck his arms and legs before firing a Taser at him, handcuffing him and then bending his toes back and standing on his legs to restrain him.
At the hospital, doctors were shocked by his injuries. Since then, Swarray says, he has suffered from depression and panic attacks, as well as nerve damage in his wrists from where he was handcuffed. It is possible that his renal failure was caused by muscle damage triggered by the Taser, according to a consultant cited by the IPCC, although a more likely cause was said to be physical exertion due to the seizure, gym activity or resisting physical restraint. Swarray also bears psychological scars. "When I go out now I'm scared. I hope nothing happens to me and I have a seizure in the street because I may have to go through what I was put through last time – waking up in intensive care," he says. He does not believe police should be using Tasers at all because they can never tell what health problems a person may have. "How are they going to know unless you're walking around with a placard saying 'I suffer from epilepsy' or 'I have a heart condition'? I could be dead."
Satisfied that Tasers posed no risk to the human heart after government scientists fired them into beating hearts extracted from guinea pigs (guinea pigs are considered to have more fragile hearts than human beings; in the US, Tasers have been tested on pigs), the Labour government allowed officers not specially trained in firearms to use them in 2008. This marked a big expansion in their deployment, since they had been trialled only by armed police. Now, every police force in England and Wales has fired Tasers, although in parts of Scotland it is still only armed police who are allowed to carry them. Officers carrying Tasers are given 18 hours' training, and each use of a Taser is supposed to be meticulously recorded. This includes documenting when Tasers are drawn and people are "red-dotted" – that is, the laser sight of the Taser is trained on their chest without firing; this, say police, is an effective deterrent and often enough to ensure compliance.
Peter Kirkham, a former detective chief inspector and now a policing services consultant, says there is an irrational fear of Tasers, which fill a "very definite" gap in policing. "Because they look like guns, people psychologically put them in the same category when they are not. They are certainly not fatal for the vast majority," he says.
According to Kirkham, police find Tasers extremely useful for diffusing situations where people are armed with knives or swords, which officers might previously have tackled with guns. "Police officers could not safely deal with that person – they either talked them out of it or firearms were the only option. Tasers fill that gap. People are alive where firearms officers would have shot them in the past." But is there a temptation to overuse it? "Police officers are human," says Kirkham. "If they get a new toy, they like using it."
Amnesty welcomes the use of Tasers in circumstances where they replace guns. "As a weapon of last resort it's clearly better to shoot someone with a Taser than shoot them with a gun," says Oliver Sprague of Amnesty. "But we're concerned they will be used by more people more often in less extreme circumstances. They are being rolled out to more and more officers and the rules on when they are being used are not clear enough." Amnesty is particularly concerned about their use in public order situations; after the summer riots, West Midlands police indicated it would consider using Tasers "more proactively" in riot situations. "As a matter of principle, Tasers should not be used in crowd-control situations," says Sprague. "Officers are likely to miss and hit the wrong person, a Taser is likely to induce panic in a crowd and there's a real danger the officer will be disarmed and then the Taser will be at large."
Guidelines from the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) for police Taser use are "slightly fuzzy", according to Amnesty. The guidelines state that Tasers can only be deployed during "non-firearms situations involving violence or threats of violence of such severity that they would need to use force to protect the public, themselves or the subjects". This is such a wide definition that Tasers could be drawn in all kinds of cases where police would have used traditional methods, such as negotiation or batons. Sprague fears Tasers represent a "slippery slope" in which police become over-reliant on this quick technical fix, which makes them less engaged with – and more likely to alienate – the people they are policing. While "red-dotting" might be a useful deterrent, Sprague points out that threatening to use a Taser is as serious as firing it. "If you can get instant compliance by just pointing a Taser then there's a strong argument for drawing it immediately," he says. Suddenly, policing by consent becomes policing by compliance.
Sophie Khan of GT Stewart, a solicitor who is representing a growing number of victims of Taser use, including Swarray, argues that although Acpo's guidelines advise police to be cautious about Tasering someone small – ie, a child – they do not specifically recommend that officers should not fire Tasers at those suspected of being physically or mentally ill or on medication. "There's a loophole that has to be closed. It's not rocket science to know that you should not Taser someone having an epileptic seizure, but this kind of common sense is missing from police guidance," she says.
"Police officers can only use as much force as is reasonable in the circumstances and officers deploying Taser must justify its use," says Assistant Chief Constable Simon Chesterman, the Acpo lead on Tasers. According to Chesterman, Acpo's guidance is under constant review, with an independent panel of medical advisers monitoring the latest medical studies on the weapon from around the world. "In addition, the Acpo guidance is supported by a detailed training curriculum, which is delivered to all Taser officers and refreshed annually," he says. "We take the learning from IPCC investigations very seriously and their findings and recommendations actively contribute to the development of the guidance and training."
In Britain, the IPCC is currently investigating 33 of 86 complaints this year from individuals shot by police with Tasers. Although the weapon has been declared not to have played a part in two recent deaths in Britain, the IPCC is still investigating the case of Dale Burns, a 27-year-old taxi driver from Barrow-in-Furness who became embroiled in a physical confrontation with police and was, friends claim, shot with a Taser four times. Burns, a fit young bodybuilding enthusiast with no history of heart trouble, died in hospital later that evening. A pathologist's report is expected imminently. Helen Shaw of the charity Inquest says whatever the pathologist's findings the medical evidence in Burns's case should be tested in court before the Taser is hastily acquitted of any involvement in his death.
Earlier this year, the IPCC concluded its investigation into the use of the Taser against Swarray. "With hindsight actions such as giving commands and attempting compliance through pain to a person who was already known to be unresponsive were questionable," said IPCC commissioner Naseem Malik in her report, which called on Acpo to "consider" whether "less violent tactics" could be used in medical emergencies. Nevertheless, the IPCC concluded that officers "acted correctly" and nothing in Acpo or Greater Manchester police guidelines prevented the use of a Taser against a person who is having an epileptic seizure. Although Malik commented on the "inappropriate language" of one officer that "suggested a certain mindset" she judged the officer had "considered tactical options before deciding to use the Taser".
Swarray is dismayed that the IPCC investigation did not censure the police and is to launch a civil action against Greater Manchester police. He believes that, since its verdict, the use of Tasers has increased. "It's ironic that since my case they've been using Tasers with more vigour and brutality. If they can get away with doing it to someone who is ill there's no hope for anybody," he says. "It's scary. It's been really traumatic and difficult to deal with."
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ShareWe'd have loved to play with your mind GZ, but this one is just uniquely weird!
We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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ShareI am guessing that the ASX are giving them grief again, because on page 5 of the presentation, they obviously had the numbers prepared, that were going to be released in time for the AGM. (Obviously again is my guess)
I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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ShareI find that post rather repugnant and cynical cusox.
Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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ShareShadow, that is bull dust, and you know it.
If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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Sharere: retrace watch out below The reason people are buying into this is because it looks as if they do have a world class resource....if that is the case this stock is very undervalued at current levels.
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ShareMaybe this sheds some light on it ............................
He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
Posted by bigdump
IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview
so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview
fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview
diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview
Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
Post #486342 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
Posted by Dezneva
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Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
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Posted by Rocker
IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
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well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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ShareI get your drift joewolf.
The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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ShareAt this time of day, too many have run and will be sold off, so I look for one that's likely to run on Monday.
CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Sharere: it goes like this? Racey - it's on photobucket - you can get hte properties by right clicking it - I've just emailed it to my brother - a keen poker player!
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ShareWhat a fascinating thread reading back 3 months!
Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
[email protected]
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