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18/09/19

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Originally posted by angusmcfangledang: ↑

Mr G ,that verse in philipians amplifies what i am saying,not takes away as you suggest.

Emptied himself,he became another form of himself,the bible says he grew in wisdom and in stature.

By studying the scriptures,he learned who he was.
No matter what happened,he ramained who he was as far as he was the son of God ,sent to earth,he became a human being (God with us)if that isnt a God man or Gods son incarnate,just by reason of who he was,that never changed that fact.

Gods son was sent from heaven,and i realise this is the difference between yours and wotsups belief and mine.

You both reject the son was pre existent and say his existence started on this earth.
The bible says and i agree,God sent his only begotten son.

Test the spirits 1john 1-3
and
1John 2.22-23
Who is a liar,but he that denies that Jesus is the , son he is anti Christ ,that DENIES THE FATHER AND THE SON

WHOEVER DENIES THE SON,THE SAME HAS NOT THE FATHER,he that acknowledges the son,has the father also.

John 3.13
And no man has ascended up to heaven,BUT HE THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN

The pharasees also like you and wotsup rejected this idea that Jesus was Gods son sent from eternoty by God

John 5.17
But Jesus answered them ,my father hitherto ,and i work
18 Therefore the jews sought the more to kill him,because not only did he brake the sabbath,but he said God was his father,making HIMSELF EQUAL TO GOD.
Also the pharasees wanted to stone him when he said,before Abraham was,I am.
They knew this meant he was claiming to be Gods son and came from eternity (pre existence )

Even the pope will admit Jesus was the son of God
But it comes with conditions,he wont say he was Gods actual literal son in heaven,just as the arians will not admit this foundational doctrine of truth.

Jesus words himself

John 11.36
Say ye of him,whom the father has sanctified .and SENT INTO THE WORLD,thou blasphemest,because i said i am the son of God

The world rejects THE FACT THAT JESUS WAS AN ACTUAL SON SENT FROM HEAVEN

This is what the world rejects!

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John 3.13
And no man has ascended up to heaven,BUT HE THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN

Now lets look at what is really being said here;

John 3:12 - If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Then he goes on to explain an example of a heavenly thing of the future, what's coming;

3:13 - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, the Son of man which is in heaven.

Note the order in this verse, it does NOT mention coming down first.
He died, went to the Father, touch me not as I have not yet been to the Father and then he comes down from heaven and they saw him = He is giving an example, of a heavenly matter, to come.
Clearly it's future, because as he is speaking, he is NOT in heaven.

You see, it is very easy to read things wrong when one has pre-set seeds.
You see the verses, but you don't really see them.
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