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Now then, I am going to address some of your mocking and unbiblical claims you made at me and to me.
HES TRYING TO SAY THAT IN HIM , THIS LIFE IN THE 2 VERSES HE GAVE ,IS THE SAME THAT IS GIVEN TO THE REDEEMED BELIEVER.
BUT IT IS NOT
GODS SON, POSESSES BY INHERITENCE ,AN ATTRIBUTE OF HIS FATHER, IMMORTALITY.
TO THE BELIEVER IMMORTALITY IS GIVEN,
GODS SON INHERITED IMMORTALITY AS HIS BIRTH RIGHT AS A SON INHERITING HIS FATHER ATTRIBUTES AND CHARACTER.I'm looking back at some of your posts, and more shock than the first time is sinking in.
Much of you comments hinge on one false unbiblical statement you make, rendering many of your following ones, Void.
Now your above, bolded line, are You serious?
That is not what the Bible tells us and you are definitely showing confusion of this life within God, John 1:4 and what was Given to Jesus and immortality.
Acts 2:24 - Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
As he never sinned.
Why, he accepted and abided in the Word of God.
1 Tim 6:16 - Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
a) The who here is --> Jesus dwelling in the Bosom, Light of the Father John 1:18 --> God is Light 1 John 1:5, Father of it James 1:17, the True light John 1:9 and the life within God, John 1:4 IS His word Psa 119:105, light to mens path, feet etc.
So he was NOT born with immortality, from either pre-existing if that's your line or from birth at Mary.
The life that was given to him in John 5:26 IS referring to God's word, Logos, JUST AS there was Life IN God in John 1:4, HIS WORD and PLANS = Light of men.
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Now then, lets LOOK at this life, cause of, that Jesus was given, in Jesus;
John 5:26 - For as the Father hath life in himself (John 1:4); so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
How --> John 12:49 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And these words are --> Spirit and Life John 6:63 AND words of eternal life 6:68 and WERE Given to him.
AND --> Jesus was given these without measure John 3:34
AND --> 1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man beborn of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:34 - For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
a) Are you born again two ways or three, word of God, water and Spirit = NO YOU ARE NOT.They ALL represent John 1:13 - Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jesus was neither the Water, the Word or the Spirit.
Now pay attention to what Jesus says next;
John 4:13-14 - Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 7:38 -He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
OK then, clearly this Water is referring to the word of God, which in also Spirit, which means, if one accepts and abides in it, they have life within themselves.
If they pass it on and another accepts and abides in it, they are giving life, belly flows out living water (words) from within them.
All subject to God drawing, through the door etc.
But the seeds of life will flow from you.
In the beginning was the Logos (life) and the logos (life) was with the God and God was the logos (Life).
The same (this, it) was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through him = Him and His inner logos, partly expressed.
Hence --> IN HIM life was and that life was the light of men.
Light = Psa 119:105 - Thy wordisa lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Prov 6:23 - For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
Psa 119:130 - The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.--> lol.Now then, John 1:3 could have said, "all things were made by this (logos)", but the point of John 1:1-2 is to show what and who it was, Life within, hence from here on, Logos and God are identified and referred to as Him and He.
Again, John 1:1-2 is God and his inner logos, within himself, life and part of this life plan, expressed in 1:3 and THEN it springs back to life within him and where now heading down the path and lessons, message of eternal life = the Book of John and God's plan is to be fulfilled through Jesus.
John's role at first as Mal 3:1 and the other OT verses, alignments show, was to clear the path, make straight, truth of what was and who, first milk, FOR GOD, first pre the sudden appearance of Jesus, as per 1:14 and Not before.
Hence, John was recapping in the first 13 verses.
SO NO, the John 1:1-2 is NOT the Gen beginning, it is before this.
It is also my understanding, the "the" as in, In "the" beginning, should not even be there.
Never the less, the Bible is very clear of different beginnings.
God did not just appear with NO thought and hey presto.
AND the likes of Titus 1:2- In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal.
And 2 Tim 1:9 tells us, God purposed this within Himself, INNER Logos as per Eph 3:9, hidden IN Him.
This is the life within him, part of, HIS LOGOS.
As you rightfully said, this is not a contest.
But there is no question about it, the above, is supported via verses of which there are many more, flows like water off a Ducks back, no forcing or implying on very very weak grounds as most of yours do and some with Zero grounds to even imply.
You make reference to my past by totally ignoring me announcing on here my shame and me stopping work, son screaming as he worked for me, because I vowel never to be hoodwinked again, eyes and ears open all the way.
So I put it to you, your stumbling block in this, WE are the ones based on this said pre-birth, literal son.
The Bible CLEARLY shows and in smooth flowing context, you do NOT need a pre-existing son to send and Jesus in John 17:18 gives a VERY CLEAR example of what being sent into the world means.
Take this said pre-existing as the Bible clearly shows, away, numerous numbers of you points, claims, fall head over heals.
There is hardly a point of yours made, that has not clearly and smoothly been countered WITH the Bible.
The power of the wrong seeds in ones head, unfortunately has been grossly underestimated by many, as it is HUGE.
So, I will also put it to you and sadly, your doing the very same thing I did, but sadly it would appear, time is not right for me to return the favor.
So from us, 7,8 & 6, WHAT IF, your being Drawn?
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