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04/04/20
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Originally posted by angusmcfangledang:
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It's pretty simple zbusc When it's all boiled down to it If you re a trinitarian 1 Its a denial of the sonship of Christ 2 Its only a human atonement 3 Creates a 3rd diety Amongst other things Historically,trinitarianism is the newest doctrine of the three foundations of the three main divisions of christianity All three were represented at the council of nicea Which was hundreds of years after christianity was formed. Christian belief arose out of Judaism Trinitarianism arose historically hundreds of years later out of Roman Catholicism, which itself came out of pagan Rome. The trinity was adopted out of paganism after pagan Rome became papal Rome and adopted all the pagan practices and just changed the names of paganism to Christian names. For example The pagan fertility festival Ishtar became Easter The celebration of the birth of the son of the sun God 25th dec was changed to the christ mass= Christmas, nowhere in the bible are we told to celebrate. Total immersion of baptism has been changed to the sprinkling of water Forgiveness of sins which is only the prerogative of God was decreed to now be the prerogatives of the priests. Saturday the 7th day of the week of which Judaism still celebrate and which was instituted by God in the creation week 1000s of years before their was a Hebrew or jew. In fact,Jesus in the gospels declared the sabbath was made for man(not just the jew as some suggest) Historical fact also proves that Rome also decreed this change by law contrary to the biblical commandments,of which was also foretold in bible prophecy, when in Daniel,when speaking of this anti christ power that would arise in the divisions of Europe,would THINK to change the times and the seasons. In Daniel and Revelation we clearly see the prophets that warn of a false system of worship that would misrepresent christianity and the bible to the world. Zbusic,not personal against you,but clearly the reason you dont understand. Is you may not have researched your own beliefs origins ? Historically and biblically they just dont stand up to the test,I fact your belief happened many hundreds of yrs after original Christian belief and contradicts every part of it. Just because it is now adopted by 90% of what is called Christianity today. Doesn't make it correct. Infact on studying the bible and the issues,the bible actually says the truth and Christian belief will very much be a small minority. Yet todays mainstream Christianity is numbered in the hundreds of millions with the trinity as the foundation of who the God is that they worship,and yet it's so easy to prove that this concept was adopted from paganism. The reason is,people usually just adopt whatever their parents did,or they just follow what their religion tells them without any true unbiased questioning.
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Calm discussions like yours using references from normal everyday Bibles are welcome... Currently I still believe and accept that :- GOD has always existed GOD is The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit and that The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit are The Creator and that The Father sent The Son to be born to the Virgin Mary as Jesus. .... I've read and listened to many well meaning interpretations of scripture for and against the above.