@zbuscIs there No decency and respect in you, I asked you kindly...

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    @zbusc

    Is there No decency and respect in you, I asked you kindly to stop polluting the topic on the other thread.
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    John 1:2
    "Do you claim that the inters used for the following translations are liars ?"

    YOU did NOT produce Inters in you list and the Inters CLEARLY show that your translators, did NOT use the inters or do their expected due diligence and actually check the definitions of the Greek words, instead followed the goats or translating, according to bias seeds, planted by the father of lies.

    The corruption you follow and accept in John 1:1, 2 with pros translated as "with"
    pros: advantageous for, at (denotes local proximity), toward (denotes motion toward a place)
    Original Word: πρός
    Part of Speech: Preposition
    Transliteration: pros
    Phonetic Spelling: (pros)
    Definition: advantageous for, at (denotes local proximity), toward (denotes motion toward a place)= Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; (promise to himself)

    In beginning was the Word (mind/reason of someone) and the Word was toward (glimpse of a mystery, plan) the Theon and Theos was the Word. (now you know who 1:1a is) (and NO, NO and the Word was Theos)
    This; was in beginning toward the Theon.
    All through Him came into being, and without him came into being not even ONE.
    = US. (No "things" as in all "things", this is about us (All), eternal life through the fathers word, the plan and purpose that was in him, ongoing, in progress - plan and purpose = toward.

    Toward in cases can be "unto".

    Theon = object case
    Theos = subject case
    ex - I love Theon = Theon is the object of the verb love.
    ex - Theos loves me = Theos is the subject of the verb love.

    Theon and Theos are also linked with the "and", corrupt the word order and you corrupt the intentions of the writer, Theon and Theos are one in the same = Father, hence they are linked by "and" = used to connect words of the same part of speech, clauses, or sentences, that are to be taken jointly:
    used to connect two clauses when the second refers to something that happens after the first:
    used to connect two clauses, the second of which refers to something that results from the first:
    connecting two identical comparatives, to emphasize a progressive change: -> from planning by someone to identifying that someone 1:1c
    used to introduce a statement about a new topic: new topic, -> who was the plan going on in = Father

    Messing with the word order as well, mess's with WHY they spell God differently for the same God.

    "came into being not even ONE"
    Gen 1:27 - So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
    Matt 19:4 - And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’

    Jesus in NO way places himself there, we can rightfully imply that he found out by reading the scriptures as he often did.


    Lets US take a walk with John himself to confirm the above, re towards and he does it exactly the same as above.
    First You need to grasp what 1 John's opener is about.

    John 5:39 - You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
    The word of life -> scriptures
    Phil 2:16 - holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.

    1 John 1:1 - 3 - That which was from - (away from - inter opt) beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the word of life—(scriptures)
    the life was made clear, and we have seen and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was (pros) toward the Father and was made clear to us—
    that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship (meta) with us; and truly our fellowship (meta) with the Father and (meta) with His Son Jesus Christ.

    That which was from - (away from - inter opt) beginning -> eternal life which was (pros) toward the Father -> Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; -> (promise to himself) = John 1:1, 2.

    That plan and purpose ended up in the scriptures, the word of life to which they handled, saw etc.
    The which, which, which is NOT a PERSON!
    John the Baptist came with this and -> that which is born of flesh is FLESH = 2nd Adam Man who tells us we
    MUST be born again.
    That which is born of the Spirit, spirit is --- and God's (Fathers) word is Spirit John 6:63 = that which is born of the Spirit, spirit is = that which is born of the Word (Father) is Word.
    Become born again become a Word of God.

    And God (Father) was/is the Word.
    Word God -> Image of Word Man............at the Baptism of Jesus, he became born again = A Word of God - Fathers.


    Lo - Behold -> Divine revelation ->
    Rev 19:13 - He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called
    The Word of God.
    A Word of God, titled "The"

    The prologue of John is introducing Yehowah - ah = Lo - Behold loud cry out for his grace, salvation through his word, who John brings and teaches as per the 13 verses, more or less, and Jesus come on the scene and takes the torch (light - word) and runs with it,
    This then gives a perfect chronological flow instead of running all over the place, forward, backward, forward, which is NOT Johns intentions.


    Mal 3:1 - “Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to the temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,” Says Yehowah of hosts.
    Isa 40:3 - The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of Yehowah; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God -> John 17:3, the only true God and Father at the time of Jesus.


    Suddenly -> John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
    John 1:14 -
    And the Word Man (existing) became (arrives) and dwelt among us and we heled the glory (word) of Him, glory (word) as only begotten by the sied of the Father, full of grace and truth.

    By the side -> Deu 18:18, John 17:8, 17:17, 17:22

    eek.png His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.


    Not NEED to THINK = WHY does it say no one knows the name when it is there = because they DON'T.

    Rev 3:14 - Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name.

    The Word and The Word of God.

    Another unknown name -> Rev 2:17 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat (message). And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows (be aware, behold, consider, perceive) except him who receives"
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    This; was in beginning toward the Theon.
    houtos, hauté, touto: this
    Original Word: οὗτος, αὕτη, τοῦτο
    Part of Speech: Demonstrative Pronoun
    Transliteration: houtos, hauté, touto
    Phonetic Spelling: (hoo'-tos)
    Definition: this -> There YOOU go zbusc, NO other definition to chose from = ZERO, will YOOU accept this Truth and John's above, the Inspired writer OR will YOOU follow the tradition of men ????

    As for the Greek word Pros, it is translated as "with" 43 times, 3 of which are in error in John and 1 John, and of the others I've check so far, there are ZERO grounds or need to translate them with "with" = DYOR.

    John INTENTIONALLY chose the correct Greek word in every instant, for toward and with and it is the creators after him that have tampered with his word, but God is smarter than man and through Jesus, for the serious ones, it WILL BE revealed.

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