"'''Just prove it, that nothing builds universes, establishes fixed natural laws and natural forces, produces life and sentience, builds complexity via evolution, that a single organism had within it the potential to be every creature that will ever exist and then you will get rid of this creation and faith nonsense once and for all.''
It's not something that has positive proof. It is the absence of evidence for a Creator, the absence of evidence that does not justify a belief/conviction in the existence of a Creator.
If evidence for the existence of a Creator is absent, as it happens to be, one cannot justifiable make a positive claim, it cannot be said that a Creator must exist .
It is not a justified for the reasons given
The best thing you can say is: we do not know.
Meanwhile, the Universe appears to be self sustaining and self evolving on the basis of the nature and attributes of Matter/Energy itself and not some non detectable Orchestrator. "
I may have asked you this before ...
For the moment can we put aside the anthropomorphic, religious, made in the image of Man, God/Orchestrator/Creator.
Then disregard the plentiful subjective accounts and traditions of mystics and others regarding the existence of "higher" levels of consciousness that enable a brief glimpse and sometimes contact with those higher levels, though of course not the Prime cause which is unknowable.
I only say disregard because this is hearsay except for those who have had such experiences ... which isn't the case for you and certainly doesn't qualify as evidence that "anyone can see and verify".
You mention "the Universe appears to be self sustaining and self evolving on the basis of the nature and attributes of Matter/Energy itself and not some non detectable Orchestrator. "
We know that even the tiny aspect of the Universe we have access to is not a simple thing and incorporates the most unbelievable concurrence and blending of laws, conditions, consistent interactions and apparent purpose etc.
Why is it that everything we see in the Universe exhibits what at our level would be classed as purpose and intelligence (in the sense of purposeful adaptation) without hesitation ? Even a so called "dead" rock has this intelligence.
So, the interesting question is what would the evidence need to be to show the existence of a cohesive, intelligent creative flow that leads to all the manifestations we see ? How would this be investigated, experiments performed leading to proof ?
"We don't know" or "It's just how things turned out" etc are understandable as a response, but is that because the evidence you require is not clearly understood as to what it would be ?
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