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Originally posted by Taurisk: ↑

@JCoure you have got to be objective and try and see it from the point of view of the people who had to accommodate the State of Israel.
To them it must have seemed like another of those European colonial outposts, as Europeans did in Africa and Asia during the days of 'Empire' (British, French, Spanish, Portuguese,(and in ancient times: Roman) and they left their colonies all over the place . - foreign bodies implanted on their homeland.

When you watch the participation of Israel in various European contests (Eurovision) - and their progressive ways within Israel with land use, scientific progress etc. (engendering perhaps envy) it is no wonder that they are still regarded as a 'foreign' body.

There is also the constant confrontation with Western values, attitudes to sex, women's dress code, alcohol etc., which must be an affront to most religious Arab people, and, possibly, pushes them into more extreme attitudes.

Now with America supporting Israel in such obvious ways, it will confirm that Israel is not really 'one of them' but an outsider, a colonial outpost of the West. There could also be questions of envy of lifestyle, envy of their 'freedom' coming into play, and withdrawal into ' they are of the devil, and must be destroyed' attitudes.
BUT: They are probably fighting a losing battle as their youth is computer savvy and social media has reached their youth and their countries, too.

I am not being critical, just trying to see it from their point of view.
and - maybe - Israel is that thing, a last colony of the West in Arab lands.
Taurisk

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he doesn’t have to see it from anyone’s perspective just as you think you don’t need to. Otherwise i suggest you learn a bit of history and try stepping into the shoes of Jews

moreover you are making excuses for Arabs in a way you have never done for Jews who lived across the Middle East and parts of Africa as well as Europe for aeons

Jews can clearly trace their lineage to the area. I can trace back to both the levant and Persia and whether you recognise it or not there remains a connection

maybe try thinking this way. A characteristic of all indigenous people is a history that connects them to country - to their land and it is woven into their sense of being, their ceremonial events, their “spiritual” and their oral history and their language is often deeply linked to that land as well

most do not question that with our own indigenous people and it is understood by indigenous Americans. These same links are woven deeply into Jewishness

there is such a thing for Persians but no such connection exists with the Arabs. Many moved in and out of the different administrative areas under both Muslim and ottoman empires

. Their connection was with Mecca which is not disputed land. It is there they travel to as a pilgrim and there they pray to. The Quran relies on the bible for much of its content - not because it wants to absorb the spirit of Jews but because it has a utilitarian purpose. Al Asqa too was an act of dominance

but I cannot see you taking your own advice and exercising a broader empathy to those for whom you clearly have no time