thanks sliderule, i guess our IQs set us apart from the herd. this is good. when AC came in on that TIM post I smelt a rat, a really big RAT. maybe he wears navy blue Zegna suits and attends meetings where Shane Stoned gives the opening address. I am really glad there are still folk like you to uphold the good fight which is all about HONESTY. Cheers,,,,,,,when I get to a million you can call on me for a bottle of Grange, its got a red label, not blue. Hope this makes AC skworm.