Wheres can this UPI article be found that everyone keeps referring to??
The Drudge report times out.
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AOTonline? Challenger.com? Any others? AOT seems reasonable, $33 trade, $49.95/month, free if more than 8 trades/month. If database isn't accessed then $0/month. Seems reasonable, any opinions?- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
regards
Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
PEN is very tradable, but not out of the woods by a long way imo.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Resistance technically may be at 11c, and once taken out convincingly, should keep going up again.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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Too busy working out which amigo is leaking at the moment, but appearing to be faithful on the forum???
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We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
Hmmm. That's my best conspiracy theory for now!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
Posted by bigdump
IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview
so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview
fark u 2 fool ramper
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview
diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview
Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
Post #486342 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
Posted by Dezneva
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Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
Posted by Rocker
IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview
well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
Looks good for next week. Be prepared!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
[email protected]
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It is completely nonsensical to suggest you can replace income tax with tariff revenue. And this comes at a time when the government is already spending way more than it receives in revenue. Keep suggesting idiotic ideas that make the problem worse and kiss your bond market and currency goodbye.
https://x.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1917220400943034629
..I don't think you can find any Govt anywhere in the world even in recent history with its leader and treasurer (or finance minister) making economic claims/promises or even ideas in a loose manner that not only does not stack up but never went through any due diligence in advance.
..in other words, whatever economic idea/plans Trump, Bessent and Lutnick says or communicate either on telly or via tweets cannot be taken seriously at all, because what has been said are either
1. not done (because they can't be done) OR
2. are subject to conditional pre-requisites (something that has been assumed need to happen first) OR
3. just simply thoughts on the fly that the President loves to see happen, not necessarily that it can be done or will be done
..an unserious adminstration that you cannot simply accept what has been said. This is why businesses have no idea where this is all going to end and if it will. Markets have become conditioned to respond to the President's teams narratives like a Pavlovian dog.
..meanwhile all the hype that Elon has generated on getting Doge to deliver? So much for the $2 trillion dollar promise?
The DOGE website is now updated to claim cost-cutting savings of $105 billion -- though it deleted several contracts that it previously claimed saved billions of dollars.
..this is chump change but obscures the true agenda why Elon wanted to lead the DOGE initiative - to remove all the regulatory tentacles that threatens him and his companies!
April 30, 2025
How Much Have Elon Musk and the DOGE Boys Cost Us?
Dean Baker
Back when Elon Musk was just getting his “Department of Government Efficiency” (DOGE) off the ground, he was boasting that he would eliminate $2 trillion in annual spending that was waste. That’s almost one-third of the federal budget. Needless to say, this was not a serious target, but Elon Musk is also someone who claimed that 20 million people over the age of 115 are getting Social Security benefits. Numbers are not Elon’s strong suit.
Anyhow, he quickly backed away from his $2 trillion, saying this figure might have been too high, but he would save us $1 trillion a year. More recently, Musk lowered his DOGE savings to $150 billion a year. That would be a bit more than 2.0 percent of annual spending, but still a considerably chunk of change.
However, even this $150 billion figure looks to be a huge overstatement, as a New York Times article documents. When it came to actually documented his savings, $92 billion — more than 60 percent of the claimed savings — are not even itemized. That gets us down to $58 billion, about 0.7 percent of the federal budget (and 2.9 percent of his original target) that Musk can actually identify.
But even here there are all sorts of exaggerations and errors. The largest single item was a $2.9 billion contract for housing migrant children. But this was not a firm commitment, and the money would likely have never been spent even without DOGE. The second largest item on the DOGE list is a $1.9 billion contract with the I.R.S. that was actually cancelled under Biden. The third largest item was a $1.75 billion grant to a vaccine non-profit. This grant was already paid in full, so Musk didn’t save us a penny.
As the Times piece shows, Musk’s “Wall of Receipts” is shot full of these sorts of ridiculous errors, claiming savings on money that was already paid, and hugely exaggerating the expected cost of cancelled commitments. This sort of error-ridden accounting may past muster at Tesla, but it’s not good enough for government work.
Musk has made a big show of laying off government workers on short notice and threatening them with dismissal over trivial affronts. That has terrorized and demoralized the federal workforce. That might be good fun for the world’s richest person, but it doesn’t do much by way of saving taxpayers’ money.
Many of the people he is laying off are still on the payroll, but let’s say he has gotten rid of 20,000 federal employees with his chainsaw. If we assume average compensation of $100,000 a year, that will save us $2 billion a year, or roughly 0.03 percent of the federal budget and 0.1 percent of Musk’s original $2 trillion claim.
As a practical matter, Musk actually doesn’t have the power to save us anything. Congress appropriates money which the president is obligated to spend. Trump could put in requests for recissions to Congress so that he doesn’t have to spend money previously approved, but he has not yet done so.
Many of the organizations who have been victims of Elon’s chainsaw are suing to get money that was already committed by the government. Contracts may not mean anything to Donald Trump, but they do still matter to the courts.
Similarly, many of the workers who Elon has tried to fire are suing. They have both civil service and union protections.
We don’t know how the courts will rule on these issues, but we may see rulings that negate the bulk of Musk’s claimed savings. In this case, Musk will have very little to show in the savings department, even though he may have run up substantial bills for unnecessary court cases.
We also will face a situation where we end up paying for work that doesn’t get done. This is likely to be a major issue at many agencies, most visibly the Social Security Administration (SSA). The agency, which serves more than 70 million beneficiaries, was already severely understaffed before Musk went after it seeking blood. Now wait times have increased enormously as people often have to wait hours to get errors fixed or address changes recorded.
Musk may not care about the quality of service SSA provides, but the vast majority of us non-billionaires do. We can always save money by effectively shutting down important programs like SSA, but no elected representative from either party would suggest something so absurd.
If we expect SSA to actually function as it should, we may end spending more because of Musk and DOGE boys. We may have to hire back far more staff and offer higher salaries since they now have to worry about some idiot coming after them with a chainsaw.
SSA is not the only major agency where we are likely to see a major hit to the quality of service as a result of Elon’s antics. He also crippled the I.R.S. This will mean longer wait times for those of us asking questions about our returns and probably slower processing of our refunds. More importantly, he gutted the staff of auditors, the folks that check over returns from billionaires like Elon to make sure they are paying what they owe. If we make taxes voluntary for the rich and very rich, we will see tax revenue plummet.
Musk also went after regulatory agencies that he felt were hurting his businesses. This meant cutting staff and firing the leadership and the National Transportation Safety Board, which was investigating Tesla car crashes, and tearing apart the files of the National Labor Relations Board, which would supervise union elections at his plants. This chainsaw whacks may not save taxpayers any money, but could help to boost profits at Musk’s companies.
But Musk’s DOGE boys went further. He, along with Trump, decided to eliminate the I.R.S.’s Direct File program. This was a simplified return that allowed most taxpayers to file quickly and save hundreds of dollars that might otherwise be paid to tax preparation companies. Musk’s move here will cost taxpayers tens of billions in fees, as well as millions of hours of anguish, but it will mean higher profits for his friends at TurboTax and H&R Block.
Musk’s favors for the financial industry go further. He is nixing the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), which has returned tens of billions of dollars to the public in its decade of existence. Perhaps more important than the money that it got back is the money that it saved consumers by preventing them from being ripped off in the first place.
The CFPB is just about a textbook case of efficiency for both the government and the economy. There are plenty of very smart lawyers and accountants who can think of clever ways to rip people off, if they devote their skills to that task. The point of the CFPB was to make these rip-offs unprofitable, so banks won’t try to develop exotic schemes to charge depositors fees and credit card companies won’t develop bizarre penalties to nab unsuspecting users.
If the paths for profit from ripping people off are blocked, then these clever lawyers and accountants might instead turn their skills to something productive. Apparently, Elon didn’t want this, since he made “deleting” the CFPB a top priority. It seems he is looking to get his social media site involved in finance in a big way and he doesn’t want a government agency looking over his shoulder and keeping him honest. We don’t how much Elon will cost us with this deletion, but it’s likely in the tens of billions annually.
At this point we aren’t in a position to determine the ultimate savings and costs from DOGE. Much will depend on what the courts decide and what Congress eventually ratifies. But it seems likely that the costs from DOGE’s destruction will far outweigh any savings. The $2 trillion in savings is obviously an illusion, but that is about par for most of the promises of the Trump presidency.
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