CT, the reason I asked is because in today's West Australian, Centro are selling 2 more inner city properties and hope to have sales in place for these, Dianella and 1/2 Galleria by 4th December. These must be with Banks knowledge and permission. Which, to my simple mind means that the loans/debt deal will be going ahead. Maybe I am being optimistic with my 250 000 shares!!! Go Centro. M.