Originally posted by pintohoo
"Exactly right , of course there cannot be an open gate policy. People just can’t be relied upon to do the right thing. "
I'm dreadfully sorry - but, we had the freedom before and, did you miss it when I said that Australians have more freedom and rights in many other countries than they do in Australia
so - yes, it can be an open gate policy - other nations have it -
and, not only that, but, they allow Australians to have the same 'rights' as their native countrymen
so - in the light of that and your defence of what you call tenants - which, btw you have locked up by process most of the land in Australia -
I think my argument which I began with in that in Australia we are NOT free to go anywhere at anytime is well and truly proven by YOUR arguments.
We HAD the freedom - it has been taken away from us - it is 'guaranteed to other nations'
Not only that - but, in Australia we have given away the land that is held for us Australians in trust by the crown to entities called 'incs' --
Hydro Tasmania - the Highlands in NSW and Vic I think are similar.
In Tasmania - PUBLIC lands were signed over to the Hydro - an Inc. which proceeded to lock up those lands - and, in some cases - develop parts of it and SELL it off back to us - and, pocket the cash.
But, I assume you are ok with that one as well for some really odd reason.
No I’m just at not getting your angle as it seems what you would like to see is open slather on crown land whether it be leasehold or not. You see that’s a bit selfish imo as it disregards the rights of those who have leased it and made improvements to benefit all Australians. Those same pastoralists surely have right if access ? You don’t want them to have any say with that ? Never going to happen and rightly so. Those no trespassing signs beside the old milk barrel letter boxes are there for a very good reason. Surely you don’t think you should have the right to drive through in a 4wd with a few guns and shoot anything that moves ? That’s what would happen. The govt have swags of land to return soldiers after ww1, with the expectation of improvement and producing something , the same swags remained the property of the soldiers family to sell, your example isn’t any different . Other countries can’t be compared with oz, I’m sure we’d have full access to the South Pole too but that’s not a pastoral lease so cannot be compared.
