tinni,may be so,but to get a visa they would've have the passports. but the prob.i have is why are they destroying all of the docs.as soon as departing indo. as we all know the state of the world is in,especially the terrorism is pretty much daily event. most a/s are from the mid.eastern region. I personally support the immigration in the manner described in my previous post. its like a knock on my door,i open the door,the stranger says my name is joe blogs,iam from such and such dept. I askim for id he/she said no I don't have one. there is no way on earth i'd let that stranger into my house. see tinni,its a question of trust &personal safety. vistica