Be careful about asking "simpletons on here" to argue because they may tell you that our country is better off because:
* compulsory super was cut back very early in Howard's term * we invaded Iraq. * there really were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq * we have the GST * mother's really did throw their children overboard * Baxter Detention Centre was humane * torture like sleep deprivation and waterboarding is acceptable * Australian workplace Agreements were invariably fair and balanced
