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This forum is SUPPOSED to be for debate?

Anyway, here's what a MUSLIM site has to say about the topic of lying, basically it's forbidden, except for the occasions where it is OK. :)


http://muslim-responses.com/Islam_on_Lying/

"One of the most common claims thrown against Muslims is that the prophet Muhammad allowed Muslims to lie. Christians always like to go around claiming that Muslims are allowed to lie, and they often make these claims on their websites and sermons.

The Christians are guilty of intentionally distorting what the prophet Muhammad really said, since when we look at what the prophet said, it is nothing near the claims the Christians are making.

Now it must be said, that lying is forbidden in Islam, however so, UNDER 3 OCCASIONS, it is not. This point must be made crystal clear, that it is only under 3 specific circumstances in which a Muslim is allowed to lie, not like the Christian tries to make it seem, that Muslims are always allowed to lie.



These three specific circumstances are as follows:



Sahih MuslimBook 032, Number 6303:



Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).

So as you can see, Muslims are allowed to only lie during battle, essentially in war. Muslims are allowed to lie in order to bring peace between two people, and also when a wife and husband are fighting with each other and they lie to bring about an end to their problems."


So you can lie to your enemies in times of war, but Islam is always at war somewhere.

You can lie to your wife (nice), but why would you want to unless you'd done something really bad? (Or are planning a nice surprise for her and want to keep it secret, that happens a lot in Islam doesn't it?)

And you can lie in order to bring peace, "Yes, we will settle here in peace and assimilate and won't bring in Sharia and other medieval practices?"