in an earlier post i wrote that oct29 could be the bottom for now, but was saying that coz its the end of october run of poor news. not that early november cant be bad as well. agree with yr usual keen analysis about thursday... geny*trader,thanks for the info, but not for the china reliance on usa. dont think its a too high % and a few points reduction in gdp could only effect china by 1% in exports tops. i kno u wont agree2that, but china is unquantified in it potential. main thing is, more xjo lows to come. a big down day will see the begining of a new low. but it might not be the bottom. things are going down since july 07, why stop now coz its october. think next jan/feb wont hold much good news either. its almost proof we're not there yet. to contradict that, we might get a change in 'sentiment' in commodities. but we're getting there.