Let your name be sanctified -- Matt 6:9, page-9

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    How Ya Goin Tonio,
    Thanks for coming back and aving (lol) a go.
    Following are some truths, will you be able to handle them and address them and actually counter them from the Bible or will you just ignore them again?

    John1:3

    All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
    Show us a verse where you can show beyond doubt, Jesus said the likes of, let there be light, then you will have my attention as this is what John 1:1-3 dictates you must do, if you say Jesus is The Word.

    Who is the "Him" here --> The exact same one which I have shown You many times from the Bible = The Almighty God and Father, yes the singular identity;
    Psa 33:6&9 - By the word -->(Spirit John 6:63)of the LORD -->(Almighty God and Father) were the heavens made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth --> (Spirit).For he spake, and it was done;he commanded, and it stood fast.

    Psa 102:25 - Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.Isa 48:13 - Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: whenI call unto them, they stand up together.
    Isa 44:24 -
    Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh allthings; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
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    The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.No place for the word "over" in the Greek.
    So what it's saying is to the effect, firstborn of all creation and the Bible paints this picture, meaning of it, loud and clear.

    However mate, before you can get a grasp of the context of it, it would seem you need to grasp, suck on some first milk basics.
    The Word and it's various meanings.
    1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with The God and God was the Word.
    Some several hundred years prior to Jesus coming on the seen, word --> logos has as much the meaning as the spoken thoughts = word as it did the inner thought, reasoning etc.
    Word coming out of you is clearly the expression of you inner thoughts, inner creation, no two ways about it.

    Example - 1 Cor 2:11 - For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?
    even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
    John 4:24 - Spirit the God is.....................the above clearly shows us, the spirit thinks, has thoughts and for man, we know full well we express that out in writing or WORD.
    So while In You, it is clearly you inner logos, part of you and is you as in --> And God (The God first mentioned in 1:1) WAS The Word.

    In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with The God.........
    The first two times the Word is mentioned here, have the same meaning and that is the likes of;
    Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal;
    2 Tim 1:9 - Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but
    according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
    Rev 13:8 - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the
    Lamb-->slain from--> the foundation of the world. (Foundation also having the meaning of Conception).These three verses are clearly in the mind and plans of God and clearly known as his inner logos and the meaning of The Word, in the first two times it is used in John 1:1.
    How can we say this and be sure = John 1:4 In Him (GOD) life was and that was the light of men = the likes of 2 Tim 1:9 as this Life in God is in his word, his inner Word plan and that plan is the light to our feet, path Psa 119:105.
    Hence John 1:2 The same, this, it (Titus 1:2, 2 Tim 1:9 etc) was in the beginning with God.

    The Bible tells us, God's word is Spirit and we know the Spirit think, thereforehand;
    In the beginning was the Spirit (Titus plan etc) and the Spirit was with The God and God was the Spirit. (With a plan)
    Gen 1:2-3 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And
    the Spirit--> (Word) of God moved upon the face of the waters.
    And God
    (Not Jesus) said, Let there be light: and there was light. = (Inner thoughts, plan, now expressed out as in his Logos and as per John 1:3).


    This Tutus plan, according to his (God's) own purpose was part of his INNER thoughts, reasoning's and also referred to in the Bible as Glory, Glory held via him and alone, which Jesus asks for in the Greek truth of John 17:5.
    Clearly this Titus plan centered around a Jesus to be, hence, Jesus is referred to as the Beginning of the creation of God, Hidden mystery IN GOD Eph 3:9 and Rev 3:14.
    Likewise, Jesus was the firstborn of Creation, God's inner creation, thoughts, plan etc.
    Therefore and in this exact same context, God and God alone --> For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him

    What you continually failed to address was --> IN Him, are you trying to tell us, all creation is literally IN Jesus = No.
    Hence the same theme, context as to how one NEEDS to understand, what God and God alone creating through Jesus means.
    Through - on account of, by reason of, for the sake of = In Him, for him, the future one to be = Through, this reason, plan etc = A Jesus to be, where when he hit the scene, raised up etc a Deu 18:18, God would place all things into his Hands, given him the Spirit/Word without measure and then as God has life within himself John 1:4, Jesus would then have life within himself John 5:26 BUT, only AFTER Baptism which is WHEN he was sent into the world.
    Prior, he came out from, forth from God as per the Angel bringing God's word/spirit to Mary and the power of the most High, taking care of the rest.
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    Who dwelt among them = Jesus
    Greek -
    And the word flesh became and dwelt IN them.................

    And the Word --> = Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal;
    2 Tim 1:9 - Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, --> flesh became and dwelt in them.

    Jesus now exalted and in name only is called The Word of God, meaning, he is the manifestation, the whole package, plan of God, Titus for example wrapped up in Jesus, the final phase of God's plan, the means he would complete it.
    Hence Jesus is also referred to as the Bread = all of the plan = The Word of God, this name meaning, representing the role God had and planed for him = Glory, Bread, your pasture, clothing and so on.
    Jesus was to bring the words of eternal life of the God and Fathers into the world, which gave Jesus life within himself.
 
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