haha yes ash you are right, tcisboss i'll split the difference...

haha yes ash you are right, tcisboss i'll split the difference with you ! :), look we still have that cash flow business so we are still under priced, i guess i'm just one of those investors who likes to see things really picked apart,no company is your freind, i dont mean any disrepect here but i've been doing this to long to take anything ANY management says at face value, once your in if things go well things take care of themselves , but from that point on all my attention switches to when and why i get out !!