almost forgot, well actually i can't find the figures so i was...

almost forgot, well actually i can't find the figures so i was going to exclude but am happy for someone to correct me but.

Further to the ebitda 220m figure, this i assume includes the additional (this is the figure i cannot find to confirm) 150m r&d over the previous year.

What i mean is during the gfc i think the r&D spend was wound back to 50m and they said this yeat that would be 200m in order to keep their leadership position in the consumables space.