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This is who I follow and believe Jesus was before He was concieved of a virgin.John 8:58...., Before Abraham was, I am.John 17:5 ... with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
Good to see you put forward a snippet of your reasons, thanks, lets us (no not make man LOL), go for a walk in the Bible and let IT do the talking EH?
If you look at the Inter definition options, re the "I am", the other option is " I was" = "I was" sets the context.
So, there is Zero relationship to the I AM in the OT Ex, none whatsoever.
At the time Jesus gave the message, in the here and know, WHO was being addressed, or being talked about =
The MAN Jesus, no more and no less.
That aside, how does the Bible show us that Jesus was before Abraham,
the TRUE context of it.First up, lets back the truck up;
John 8:56 -
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he sawitand was glad.”Notice -> "My Day" = this is not talking about seeing Jesus on a particular day, in history, the "My Day" had clearly Not come in Abraham's time yet.
Check out the Inter, see and saw = perceive, discern, be aware, -> "to see with the mind" etc, etc.
THAT IS WHAT ABRAHAM PERCIEVED etc.
Gen 3:15 -
And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.” =
Before Abraham I am.Rev 13:8 -
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. =
Before Abraham I am.Before Abraham I am, as in a plan to be of his Fathers etc, as per the above CLEARLY shows.
CAN YOU FAULT THE ABOVE WITH THE BIBLE ZBUSC?
Rom 4:17 -
(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed,even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.That Rom verse is relevant for the above, but probably more so for your next quote, so lock the thought of that verse, the bolded, in your mind.
Advice -> Pay attention to the Correct word order following, especially the last section, as messing with word order, creates another story, context.
John 17:5 Inter -> And now glorify Me You, Father, with yourself, with glory which (that) to have before -> the world existed, with You.
Notice, most Bibles have = "with glory I had" = NO "I" is available according to the Inter.
The better true wording would be the likes of -> with glory insofar held = by the Father alone ->
calleth those things which be not as though they were."
before -> the world existed, with You." -> Logic and common sense says, the Father first made plans for his creations, and the firstborn of his inner creation, where your creations begin, was for a Jesus to be = firstborn of his inner creation Col 1:15, Rev 3:14 and then all other things were created on account of, by reason of this one to be.
Isa 44:24 -
Thus says Yehowah, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I Yehowah, who makes allthings, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself; -> "before ->the world -> existed, with You."
1 Cor 8:6 - yet for usthere is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whomareall things, and through whom welive.dia: through, on account of, because of
Original Word:διά
Part of Speech:Preposition
Transliteration:dia
Phonetic Spelling:(dee-ah')
Definition:through, on account of, because of
Usage:(a) gen: through, throughout, by the instrumentality of, (b) acc: through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of. = The future one to be, born from Mary.Jesus does NOT place himself there literally, in John 17:5Never the less, if you don't wish to accept the Inters truth, plus the following truth as shown, lets use the corrupted Bible versions, and lets us USE the Bible to show IT's same truth.
17:5 - And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.
2 Tim 1:9 - who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, -> "before -> the world existed, with You."
So these people, could rightfully ask the Father, for EXACTLY what Jesus asks in 17:5, and they like Jesus were not there, with the Father, before the WORLD existed WITH him. -> calleth those things which be notas though they were.2 Tim 1:9 is the glory which they held, before the world existed with the Father.
John 17:17 -Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 
