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Wotsup,
I have already shown you from scripture that it is Jesus who came down from heaven. Jesus' body is the bread that gives life to the world.
Unfortunately, you are inept at understanding anything written.
John :51
I am the living bread, having come down from heaven. If anyone shall have eaten of this bread, he will live to the age. And also, the bread that I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”
Come Ye Tonio OUT of the wilderness -> Jesus makes it VERY CLEAR that is WAS the Father that gives you this bread from heaven, the Father made this bread, originating from his inner logos/plan John 1:1, 2.
And the bread came down as follows;
Isa 55:10, 11 -
For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater,
So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
John 17:8 - For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from (Mouth) You; and they have believed that You sent Me.
So, as Luke clearly shows, the ONLY thing that came down was the words of the God and Fathers via the angel and that power = Holy Spirit which is the Father, came down as well and hey presto, the 2nd Adam Man's all time beginnings began.
The Son the Man and not the Son of Man -> DYOR.
Matt 1:18 - [COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px]Now the[/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][B] beginning (DYOR)[/B][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px](His one and only all time beginnings, of any kind, other than a logos/plan within God, expressed forth by the time of John 1:3 = [/SIZE][/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT][SIZE=16px][B]ALL THINGS made.[/B][/SIZE]
The Word Man arrives = 'became' on the scene 1:14.
"sent Me" = After his Baptism -> John 17:18 - [SIZE=16px]As thou hast sent me into the world, [/SIZE][B][SIZE=16px]even so[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] have I also sent them into the world.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px]After Jesus was raised, taught in the word Deu 18:18 and was sent, likewise he taught them and sent them into the world.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px]16:16 - [BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px]They are not of the world, [/SIZE][B][SIZE=16px]even as[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=16px][SIZE=16px] I am not of the world.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px](They are deemed as of above, of God, of Heaven).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px]Time stamp again of WHEN and from where he was sent;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=16px]Gal 4:4 - [BCOLOR=#ffffff][FONT=Roboto][COLOR=#001320][SIZE=16px]But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, [/SIZE][B]born of a woman[/B][SIZE=16px], born under the law,
Absolutely no pre-existing sending, all sending's are AFTER his Baptism, just as the scriptures plainly show.
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Luke 2:40, 52 - And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.
And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
Where and WHY did your pre-existing one fall out of favor or Not be in favor = hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
What part of the above are you missing
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Wotsup,
The above is just an example of your inept understanding of the written word.
I have explained this verse to you before, but I can't explain it for you. That is something you have to do yourself.
Maybe the penny will drop, and you will kick yourself.
Unfortunately for you Wotsup, if you have no wisdom, you cannot increase what you do not have.
All we can do is pray for a miracle.
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That is nothing but a cop out, you have explain bugger all on this and certainly Nothing Bible backed.
If you want to add this pack of LIES, that this is only referring to the flesh aspect of Jesus, then that is CLEARLY adding to the message, what is not there, but comes from the land of fairies, the Father of LIES.
It's an absolute load of nonsense, to suggest that a pre-existing one effectively had their memory sucked out
Your desperation and abuse of Phil 2:7, has absolutely NOTHING to do with a pre-existing one, it is in reference to the Jesus in the here and now of the times in regards to what they saw and heard = no more and no less.
The Bible is also clear in that area, as to how and when Jesus became (appeared) in the form of God, AFTER his birth, it was a progression of stages, as Luke clearly shows.
There is absolutely NO purpose for an existing one, as you lot propose, he could have just appeared on the scene, say 30 yrs of age.
No way would a pre-existing one need to physically experience being a human, they would already know the in's and outs there.
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The Word made flesh.
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He is the results of the word that came down, the Bible is very CLEAR on that.
To Boot, if he was the pre-existing Word, he would most definitely be speaking of himself, and Not the Father.
If you insist he is the word in 1:1, then 1:3 which CANNOT be remove from it, DEMANDS that You Tonio, show that Jesus spoke creation into being, which is impossible for you to do, the Father alone and by himself, did that Isa 44:24, Psa 33:6, 9.
He did this through = on account of, by reason of, because of, for the sake of the Jesus to be, born out of Mary 1 Cor 8:6
He was the firstborn of creation in the mind of the Father where your creations begin,
BECAUSE In Him, for this reason, the one to be, all other things were created = shows you how and why he is deemed as the firstborn = the first of God's inner creations to come to mind Col 1:15, 16, Rev 3:14.
Jesus is part of God's plan and purpose (Logos), that became flesh, as per Luke and NOT John 1:14, there he is being referenced as Word Man existing -> Image of Word God.
