my take on metal storm, page-2

Well said superjacent and also Mathias1, not because I think you are agreeing with me, but because you both seem to have come to that conclusion on your own, it's nice to see fellow posters using their brains.

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind whatsoever that we have been and are still being manipulated.

One thing I will say though is that we are truly blessed that we have a decent venue in Hot Copper that only allows one IP address to one alais, otherwise the five or so new comers from the US would be more like 200,they have been using that ploy on the yahoo thread in the US for years, but hardly anyone posts there now,they trashed that site, it is basically a dead board now, perhaps these people have done their job in the US already? perhaps they already own the lions share of the ADR's, it is hard to tell who owns what with the ADR's because they hide behind a nominee company?