Tonio, don't waste "our"time.... if your not gong to counter the word of God with the word of God, Bible, then do not bother, NOT interested.
Good Golly, you can't even read or understand what the words in front of you say and mean.
The Seed is the word of God and the word of God produces many seeds, Jesus is One of these, as per the Birth at Mary, where he first literally began, outside, manifestation of the mind and plans of the Almighty God and Father.
He came into being, His literal beginning at Mary, just as every prophet, forefathers were told and Jesus refers to these, so what part of his words do you NOT Grasp?
John 5:39 - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Example;
Due 18:17 - 18 - And the LORD (Almighty God and Father) said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Zero Hints here of a pre-existing Jesus, so wake up!
Luke 2:40 & 52 - And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
Pre-existence = so WHAT,.... did he fall out of favor at some point?
John 12:49-50 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
Matt 22:44 - The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
So the LORD ref to in the Due 18:18 IS The LORD Almighty God and Father, so Don't give me this Rot that Jesus is the LORD in the OT.
Luke 8:12-13 - Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
So cut out the rubbish,.......is or is not Jesus referring to The Word of God when he uses the term, "the word"?
Answer for a change, WHY in God's name would YOU give The Word in "only" two places, a Different meaning?
Greeks wrote ALL letters in capitals, WHY would we then add a capital "W" just in two places in John?
Clearly Jesus is speaking The Word and that means The Word of God JUST as he says it is in John 12:29-50, how on earth can YOU then say he is The Word or The Word of God, when He was the carrier of The word of God?
In the Beginning was the Word = The Word of Life;
1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; = Creation, and God said, and God said and there was LIFE.
Psa 33:6 - By the word of the LORD were the heavens made and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth = John 1:3.
So come ON, show US a single verse that even Hints at Jesus speaking creation in Gen, into being, BECAUSE if you insist he is the Word in John 1:1-2, then you have to show this as 1:3 is the exact same word of God that created in Gen.
The only difference in John 1:1-2, God's plans are still with in him = His inner Word, inner creation and if you even think your word does not start in you, then YOU mate, ARE deluded, no question about it.
John 1:3 is where The Word of God has been expressed --> in Him, Almighty God and Father (as shown in Gen) is Life, John 1:4.
Isa 23:5 -Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
2 Sam 7:12-14 - And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:
So come on Tonio, show US how YOU can possibly fit in a pre-existing Jesus in this verses?
What was this waffle your were on about, Seeds?
I used pretty pink for you, and maybe it will Not fly over your head,....I'm not putting much hope on that but!
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Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Is this supposed to be something new?
Was this "ever" in question?
Is not the following explaining God always had this plan "within" himself before the world even existed;
Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Gal 4:4 - But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth (Baptism timing) his Son, made of a woman, (conception) made under the law,
Luke 4:18 - The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the good news -->(the Word = the Word of God to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised.
Eph 3:9 - And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things:
Hid IN God until the times were fulfilled = Literally began at Mary the Manifestation of the Titus 1:2 Promise.
Heb 1:1-2 - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by IN his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by reason of, because of, for the sake of, through whom also he made the worlds;
Last Days, clearly shown to be after being anointed, Baptism.
If it was last days, how can you come up with your imaginations, Jesus is The Word = Not possible unless you want to say, God lies.
"He" is generally NOT used in the plural context, grab a brain!
Something you need to grasp --> Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,
Now exalted and named after the Almighty God and Father --> Name = WORD, as he IS WORD --> "The" Word = The Word of God = Jesus's name only now is = The Word of God.
So you are saved by the Word of God and YOU do not accept the truth of it (all of it).
1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Now don't call Jesus a liar and say he is The Word or The Word of God, as Jesus never ever says that, He said around 4 times just in John, he spoke the God and Fathers words.
You have created another Jesus and taken away the Almighty God and Fathers Key aspects, Spirit Holy, Word Holy and True light Holy and replaced him with a Strange spirit.
According to Jesus in John 17:3, that is Not eternal life = You reject the word of God, which Jesus now represents and is included in it.
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