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These guys absolutely suck. I'm sick of them, they are a cancer on the Earth. Do not let them in what ever you do. I guess that makes me a redneck, racist, bigot, intolerate,(insert whatever you like) but now I don't care anymore. THey can all f#@%k off....
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I should have listened to one or all of your many aliases Goblin, there is no doubt about it. I'd be buying flat out at 23c today if I had. Ah well, thems the breaks. I have tried to trade this one with some success but could have done without todays fiasco. Still, I've been in and out since 8c so perhaps not such a blow. Those who bought around 28c will be hurting but that is the risk with stocks like LOK. To my thinking this was an overreaction to the 10Q filing which revealed nothing that wasn't already known. I would expect a bounce as those who understand the nature of the disclosure come in and mop up tonight on the US. Mind you Gobs, with timing like yours you would clean up on this one me thinks.
regards
Check out what the big money was doing during the fall.
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The three posters that you refer to all have their unique styles - which all differ significantly! I can't understand how anyone could think that they are the same person!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Notes on Cellestis AGM 16th November 2009
The following are my thoughts and notes on CST at the AGM.
“There were about 200 in attendance for the first time a lot of staff were in attendance from Europe, Japan and America. Cellestis has a five day program for all staff arranged straight after the presentation.
Address by Ron Pitcher:
2009 excellent year, substantial difference, which represents hard work, and allows us to provide Dividends.
Hospital and Government sales are less affected by the GFC, it has lowered sales in this market, but strong cash and sales have protected us.
New logistics in the U.S.A. Valencia office stores millions of tests, Germany has a larger facility now. Technical services have expanded, R&D grown and we are using QFT in new product development.
Marketing team have seven staff, responsible for QFT news, digital marketing approach and the second IGRA conference, which culminated in new guidelines. This is the modern testing of T.B. Japan was the last place required for approval which was granted this year.
Looking ahead continued growth and the use of QFT as the default test, new product development represents the future growth of the company.”
Address by Tony Radford:
“Results achieved last financial year are going up substantially, 2009 was a very successful year.
We are focusing on driving marketing business development we encapsulate most of the costs from U.S. and Japan, this forms the largest part of the costs. We will be investing large amounts on this in the future, the only way we are getting there is by more expenditure.
R&D costs have to be directed, cash position is now static, the company intends to give dividends in line with the companies’ profit.
M&A we are a conservative company, we have found no companies that would meet our criteria, kissed a lot of frogs, a M&A company must meet our standards.
Sales and regions: U.S. is our biggest market. Europe, Middle East & Africa next largest, Japan rest of world represents 24%
Events subsequent to 2009
We are 37% better than last year which includes northern summer (usually slower sales).
Japan sales down, why?
When talking about revenues it’s about receipts we have two issues.
1) We have had introductory issues with the third generation product, it basically boils down to the instructions, i.e. a mistake in the wording with one letter which informs the lab to shake over vigorously the tube and the temperature within the lab being to hot, this gives extreme results. We have to change the product and re-launch, this has set us back by five months. Customers who are after third generation tests have to wait until January 2010. Customers have drawn down the second generation tests and this is the situation.
2) Swine Flu non issue here but is an issue in Japan
Moved offices this proved a great time to negotiate a long term lease very favorable terms.
Currency issues: Can’t change the fact that a 95 cents against the U.S. dollar affects our bottom line.
Centre for Disease Control (CDC) issued guidelines for TB in migration to the U.S. is now made compulsory for TST or QFT 500,000 people being tested, most of these people will be BCG vaccinated. Payer is the applicant in person so the cheapest test will be ours.
Marketing and Sales:
Have increased and created regional sales teams, built up in-house marketing. In house medical writer. Distribution and partners program has been ramped up. Significant gains have been achieved in our partner programs.
Meetings:
Done a lot of work spreading the message on IGRA’s lot of data on this. Second conference on IGRA consolidated our position. Now dominant QFT test in the world.
Guidelines:
Vary from country to country. Most significant is the CDC guidelines. First time you have to use QFT in preference when anyone has been BCG vaccinated. Most hospital employees have foreign worker which have been BCG vaccinated.
The jury was out, now over 400 papers later have confirmed it. Now we have to show the market where the answers are. NOWEE assists us with a digital education and resource upgradeable, USB which carries a filter search. Software is available, for technical presentation, materials are constantly updated, customizable. Customers can see our policy warts and all, straight up and down about out T.B. test.
Major reference labs are becoming growing customers, we are working strongly with them, especially getting to small hospitals.
Taiwan we are waiting for registration.
CMV now released, have papers out there, but will be three to five years before we get maximum money back. 70,000 tests = $10 to $12 million per annum, NO competitors.
Growth:
Will come from existing areas. Public health significant. Immigration and guest workers are a big market.
China and India big markets but can’t guarantee because of IP issues.
R&D we need to develop more products, as we have the spread now in the labs.
We are very careful about IP for new products. Our function is to generate products we are not a generic testing company. We have IP protection now out to 2023.”
Address by: Prof Antonio Catanzaro:
“I have been with the company about 10 years, first trip down under to a shareholders meeting. I have assisted with getting the guidelines through CDC and the FDA, have helped with conferences I am a well known repertory teacher 40 years as a lecturer.
30 million people have T.B. 3 million people died last year. Extreme T.B. has sent authorities into a panic. By just breathing the air you can get T.B. There is a well known slogan T.B. anywhere is T.B. everywhere.
Latent T.B.
Target testing: CDC statement in the U.S. now has lowest T.B. prevented 4,000 to 10,000 cases.
T.B. can not be controlled by testing for active T.B., need to control latent T.B. to people who are at risk, QFT does this.
In San Francisco the health department has switched from using the skin test to QFT same budget less cases.
Two Global workshops now helping others to show what they have learnt.
Staff:
Are brilliant people who have been carefully selected.”
Questions:
Q) Money invested in R&D how much profit is made in the future?
A) Whole objective is the long term strategy developed which will create wealth into the future. R&D and marketing will continue we have 3% to 4% of the market. There will be continued growth and paying of dividends.
Q) Low uptake of QFT in Australia. August 2007 NTAC concluded that TST remains the preferred test endorsed by the CDA. I am concerned as a shareholder that the test is not marketed properly here in Australia?
A) Not True. Reimbursements = 40% for QFT. Situation with NTAC is complex.. We weren’t allowed to go to the review of NTAC. NTAC was invited to come to the second IGRA conference they declined. They are behind the times. The statement you are quoting from is from data gathered in 2005. No problem with the test. Does not affect our market in Australia. Here we are doing a wonderful thing can’t get the Australian Government to open there eyes.
Q) Total lack of CST information in the financial press, positive reinforcement would be wonderful, has the financial press been invited?
A) Financial press have not been invited, this is a shareholders meeting.
Q) 3% to 4% market in developed countries how do you know?
A) 18 million tests done in the U.S Europe hard to get the data. Estimate is compared to sales.
Q) Takeover of ARANA went to U.S. Have you looked at such a possibility, have you a strategy to stop this?
A) ARANA is an Australian tragedy I am disappointed that it was sold. Directors in the course of sales and shareholders will act for them. We want this developed as an international company we will always act in the shareholders interest. Cash in the company has caused a significant problem, susceptible to a takeover. Had a look at IP and A&M that will drive the company in a shorter time to greater things.
Q) Any competitors?
A) Elispot requires more labour and expensive, as such represents a research product only. It’s been a bit of a boon for us to. TST is our competitor when we take new market off the skin test.
Q) Cochrane foundation, has any input by Cellestis into this site, this is an extremely valuable foundation?
A) Cochrane process entails a rigorous examination of the data, we have not applied to them directly. It only has value in independence.
Below answers are from Ron Pitcher
Q) Would you ever do a two for one split?
A) No. Doesn’t help our company, and from past experience doesn’t really work.
Q) Would you consider an anchor shareholder ie Thorny investments in Skilled Group as an example?
A) Don’t need the money. From my experience they go where the dollars are and apt to pull out.
Q) What are your thoughts on India and China?
A) This is a big worry because of IP, we will consider teaming up with a proven company with a track record of protecting IP and boosting sales.
I note that only 120,000 options were granted to Prof Antonio Catanzaro
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A leopard does not change its spots, nor a tiger its stripes.
Their record indicates that they can't feel shame. With these "piggy backs" now approved, they will obtain even more power. Small investors, unless there one of their mates, will be the losers.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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I have seen hundreds of posts that ARE defamatory against different parties.
My conscience is clear; I don't feel any remorse about what I posted. Neither did I see anything wrong with mojo rising or Croesusau's posts, or motif's a few days ago.
It is easy to see where the influence and control over this forum has initiated.
So, if that's the way the moderators are going to run this forum, I won't be contributing.
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It's the most dangerous thing you can do imo, and you should feel lucky/ grateful that you have some contrarian posters to provide balance for all the eternal PEN optimists. But what would I know?
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I'm in the same boat having traded PEN from time to time.
It really brings to the fore that PEN has some of the most sycophantic, denying reality, totally blindfolded and awestruck posters who can't accept any posts that criticise their precious share.
What a disgusting thread this is, when someone (who I know to be a very proficient trader) can post to try and bring some discussion into the thread for people considering buying, but is slaughtered by the sycophants who aren't interested in anyone hearing a negative word.
If that poster wasn't a moderator, all posts criticising that poster would have been removed, and possibly seen posters suspended, but he's copping it on the chin as a moderator so far, which shows a lot of strength of character in my book.
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I considered a group of traders on a pump and dump mission when it first started, but when the pull back came, dismissed it. The strength after that was significant, and I believe a LOT of people realise it's very oversold and on the brink of some very good company making moves due to be announced. Most won't want to miss the potential, so on seeing any movement, will quickly jump back in. That's no pump and dump.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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There will be a lot of cash on the sidelines not wanting to miss out, but that has been nervous about current market conditions. Movement in stock price is enough to bring that money back in. Nothing to do with management, just investor psychology imo.
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Do you have a 2.7 million deposit for a new home?
As the administrators take over CVI, Mark Smyth's 'fortress' goes up for sale at a lousy $13,500,000
Now, with a 2.7million deposit, and interest rate of 7.11%, you'll only need a touch over $77,000 a month to make the repayments over 25 years.
Feeling sick enough yet?
Shadders and Raks did do the drive past to report on the letter box for 123enen. I remember it well from just after the EGM days.
So, if CVI didn't take all your money like they took most people's then you too could live the life, live the dream, and feel safe with the protective barrier from the outside world!
Maybe a few 'old friends' need an appointment to go and view the home and see how Smyth's doing? Is the dementia well advanced yet? Any house guests? Malcolm Johnson, Anton Tarkanyi, excelsior perhaps?
To make your appointment for Perthites, and just for a sick session for others:
http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/House/WA/Mosman-Park/?adid=2008821829
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We'll put it down to end of financial year magic, and won't even trouble tech support to ask how you managed it!
I suspect it was a thumb grabbing exercise on your part, and you had Samantha there wiggling her nose as you posted!
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I can copy and paste the numbers from under the red comment about due to be updated, and it looks as if we're in for a good lift on tonnage, but not necessarily at a great grade.
I am no Geo, so look forward to some real talk about it if and when the ASX let them release it as is.
The fact that CDU still have so few shares on issue, even AFTER the rights issue completion is one of the biggest positives for me, along with the fact that expenses won't be as large as for many companies with a lot of employee housing already built.
Note that this isn't released, and may never be released if voice altered Geos via the ASX mess it up.
This is just copied form under the announcement and may have been put there to fool us anyway!
30.3mt @ 1.7% CuEq
(0.8% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
97.9mt @ 0.96% CuEq
(0.4% cut-off) Measured and Indicated
272.9mt @ 0.62% CuEq
(0.2% cut-off) Measured & Indicated and inferred
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Right now, imo it's a buy.
What does that have to do with anything else?
Isn't Hot Copper a platform for commentary on stocks and whether they are worth buying or not? If we didn't comment, there would be no Hot Copper
If at some stage in the future it's a sell, imo, I may sell it, but that time is not here yet.
Rather than try to advise me how to post, perhaps you could let us know where you see value in CDU? Do you wait for it to be proven and moving up again?
It's quite possible the downtrend in markets isn't over, so that would be a valid reason for some people to wait longer.
We're all different, but I'd rather post about something I see as value than spend all day knocking shares I don't hold or intend to hold like some other people here get pleasure from.
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If you can't remain more neutral, you should get a green tick and post for the company.
You simply can't give a value on it without ALL the information.
Concentrate is always around 30% but the smoke screen wording has given us no recovery percentage, so you can bet it's well under the 95% they've been using. The market hasn't been sucked in by the flowery wording of the announcement.- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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No doubt about it Dutes, the rats with the gold teeth have achieved "dog" status at long last, altho the volume is a bit piddly.
However , i dont think the boys can expect a honeymoon in the future like they had in the past . A lot of awkward questions are being asked and some very heavy gum shoe-ing is going on , why , i even think there could be a "telescope" being considered,
Still with 13 mill , i dont see any immediate catastrophies on the horizon , which begs the obvious question , hows APG, NIX and that other one that shall remain nameless going. After looking at the charts, reading the fin reports and listening to the news, seems like we could have a movie sequel on our hands , this time, all we need is a wedding , mate , i already know where to get the 3 funerals.
Cheers
OI NQ , how they hanging?
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He was suspected of being Bendigo. Maybe the mods worked it out.
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:27 - 236 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529197 - in reply to msg. #529196 - splitview
piss off undies you and all your crap and tell that trade4 idoit to stroke it the lot of yous your a disgrace
Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:29 - 236 reads
Posted by bigdump
IP 210.49.xxx.xxx
Post #529199 - in reply to msg. #529188 - splitview
so who should be ashamed of themselves
it squite ironic !
Isn't talking to ones self a form of madness
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Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:30 - 246 reads
Posted by diatribe
IP 203.51.xxx.xxx
Post #529201 - in reply to msg. #529199 - splitview
fark u 2 fool ramper
Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:35 - 242 reads
Posted by trade4profit
IP 144.139.xxx.xxx
Post #529204 - in reply to msg. #529197 - splitview
diatribe...
Here are the posts you refer to "6 - 8 weeks ago"...
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Subject copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:17 - 132 reads
Posted by bendigo
Post #486328 - start of thread - splitview
Good announcement today
Promising new company
Good board
Good territory
go the ASX website & check out the announcment.
Cheers
Bendigo
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 17/01/05 16:32 - 112 reads
Posted by NR
Post #486342 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
all ready on them bendigo......awaiting further annonucements.......
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Subject re: copper strike.. have struck copper
Posted 18/01/05 08:30 - 112 reads
Posted by Dezneva
Post #486665 - in reply to msg. #486328 - splitview
Yep, I agree. I know the people as well. They have a whole heap of old TEC ground. Its a great hit. and I think they are continuing the drilling.
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These were the first 3 posts ever on CSE.
Although Dezneva only posted "...I know the people as well...", I can see how you may have remebered that as "...the boss being a good bloke..."
Problem is, it was Bendigo he was replying to and not you!
How do you explain that?
Cheers!
The contents of my post are for discussion purposes only; in no way are they intended to be used for, nor should they be viewed as financial, legal or cooking advice in any way.
Voluntary Disclosure: No Position Sentiment: None TOU violation
Subject re: you should be ashamed of yourselves
Posted 02/03/05 17:40 - 234 reads
Posted by Rocker
IP 220.253.xxx.xxx
Post #529215 - in reply to msg. #529204 - splitview
well picked up T4P
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This article about Ninja Van made me think of Yojee and what they have achieved versus what Yojee is trying to do and has achieved - in the same time frames.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/ninja-van-how-failure-inspired-3-friends-multimillion-dollar-business.html
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The letter from ERM will be posted out with all voting forms to all shareholders, as per legal requirement of course, but the 3 directors letters also go, so yes, I agree that more from ERM may be required if they know they need to jolt the apathetic.
Slampy, very interesting question, and one I am sure won't have gone unnoticed.
Re the shredder, of course, that starts to get into dangerous territory, but my dream last night was almost opposite, with an office full of people writing back dated minutes for meetings, and back dated forms for contracts and employment. It was a hectic dream, and I hope there's no reality in it at all.
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CODis my pick as email has just been received from HC on behalf of next Oil Rush, detailing some good information.
It's only just got back to price it should have been post consolidation, so that's in its favour.
Very little to sell, I like that, as it will move quickly.
Many won't have received the email yet as they're at work, etc.
Read more here.
http://www.nextoilrush.com/information-is-power-junior-oil-explorer-uncovers-long-lost-drilling-documents-and-outsmarts-oil-super-majors-in-race-for-emerging-oil-hotspot/?utm_source=HCMO
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Salty - howsabout an email update please imo!!- *Removed* this post has been removed from public view
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Lots of reading today!
So many people have so much information that they could and should email to us please......
[email protected]
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