OBJ site is down ???, page-74

Attitudes, I think you have entirely missed the point in antigone's post. There is some brilliant factual research and reasoned speculation posted on this forum (IMO), but it often becomes lost in fanciful, almost mindless speculation which generally falls flat on its face. This entire thread was almost 100% the latter and met the usual fate - and guess who started it and many others of the same nature. You appear to have a liking for belittling negativity as unresearched down ramping, yet engage in your own up ramping which contains little to no research content.