kenobi no idea Kenobi...Im a novice hey??! Well considering you can buy VCR on cfds for a 5% margin, a 100k bid of 80cents is only going to cost the small investor 5k to execute! So yes I think its not a retail person and obviously you have no idea if you dont realise that people can do this!! Maybe get off the commsec and look in CFDS?! R.Geezer