no one here disputes that climate change is a real event but we...

no one here disputes that climate change is a real event but we differ on the cause. after all it has happened since time began

imo co2 is a crock.

the real change is beyond our ability to even comprehend let alone change and most of that comes from the sun which simply alters the amount of water vapour in the air (not taking into account the other millions of natural influences). you certainly wont be able to get any politician to understand the finer details.

as for the libs - the only reason as i see it that they are looking at it is because they see that they have no choice but to go with the flow. it is not unknown that they or at least howard was reticent.

the damage is done and the general unthinking population has come to accept the lie that is told often enough and loud enough

unless the government recants and the libs along with them then i see the only solution to get around this is to try to get on the band wagon and try to extract as much money fron this farce as possible.