I agree Dolphin. I've been away from hotcopper for a couple of...

I agree Dolphin. I've been away from hotcopper for a couple of months now after being a daily reader. I felt like I was banging my head against the wall reading the same posts the same arguments the same questions. Fact of the matter is majority of us here are long term investors, yeah we've had a very poor run this year, yeah management have definately taken a different approach lately but that's just the way it is. If PEN is successful then PEN is succesful, back your judgement and put your money where your mouth is and as hard as it is have a break from forums like this and come back when the answers and outcomes you expect to arrive get here. In the big scheme of things if us long term investors are right then this day to day bickering won't mean anything at all, we will all be too busy admiring our bank accounts. See ya's when the good news arrives!