I used to use 20 bucks as a guide but that is a moot point. I remember having a discussion about this on the VIL thread late last year. Have a look through this thread;
http://www.hotcopper.com.au/post_threadview.asp?fid=1&tid=1336622&msgno=6105572#6105572
Hope it helps.
Mug.
pressure to dunk seems to be gone, page-5
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