Yes but why was it ok for the US to invade Iraq and all the other governments they've over thrown? I'm not saying it's right to invade but what right do western countries have to do it but say others cannot. Just agree to not expand around Russia or let them join Nato and they all go home. If it were your kids on the front lines I'm sure you'd suddenly see common sense. Ukraine adds nothing by joining Nato but starting a war over a right to join is idealistic naivety.
