I think you are grasping at a negative straw there Moselely they...

I think you are grasping at a negative straw there Moselely they could have shown a buyer in their paperwork for all we know and there have been spot sales, whether they could have sold is not the point Q refused to sell or even try and sell their 25% when requested. So they had nothing to sell or even get finance against that is the point, I still think it is just setting a value, they used admitted could have been confirmed could have been agreed, getting stuck in the terminology used.